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[DT.]

why did i get edited...was calling cypruskill a mole too offensive?

[sadik]

I agree that healthcare is important but what's the deal with:
1- paying social insurance to people who already made their contributions to the system just like the GCc
2- paying people a salary for their work. Do GCs work for free?
3- giving people passports, ids, etc. which are perfectly within their rights.

Why do you need to use this against TCs?

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As a result of the dynamics generated by the then forthcoming accession of Cyprus to the European Union, the Turkish occupation army was forced to partially lift its restrictions on the freedom of movement across the "green line", which forcibly divides Cyprus, in April 2003, Since then, approximately 2.3. million visits by Greek-Cypriots took place to the occupied areas. During these visits, Greek-Cypriots spent more than US $57 Million

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In 2003 and 2004, the government of Cyprus paid social insurance pensions to Turkish-Cypriots totalling more than US $43 million

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Since April 2003, more than 24,000 Turkish-Cypriots have been provided with free medical care at the public hospitals and medical centers of the Republic of Cyprus. The cost of this treatment exceeds US $9 million

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63,592 Turkish-Cypriots have acquired Republic of Cyprus birth certificates.

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57,309 Turkish-Cypriots have acquired Republic of Cyprus identity cards.

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32,185 Turkish-Cypriots have acquired Republic of Cyprus passports.

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2,659 Turkish-Cypriots are registered with the Social Insurance Services (SIS) and are employed in the government-controlled areas of the Republic of Cyprus that are situated south of the "green line". An additional 5,000 Turkish-Cypriots are employed
in the government controlled areas without SIS registration. According to those estimates and the average monthly salary, which amounts to about US $1400 these Turkish-Cypriots have since April 2003 received approximately US $246 million in salaries.

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The Republic of Cyprus pays full tuition fees of Turkish-Cypriot pupils in secondary education private schools in the government-controlled areas. In 2003, five Turkish-Cypriot pupils began their studies: in 2004 nine more started attending classes: and this year 25 more are expected to be added. By the time these students have completed their studies, the Republic of Cyprus will have paid more than US $5,4 million in tuition fees.

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Since 1974, the Cyprus Electricity Authority has provided free electricity to the Turkish occupied areas at a cost of nearly US $343 million


Total monetary benefits provided to the Turkish-Cypriot community by the Republic of Cyprus and Greek-Cypriots: more than US $700 million



you're right....I expect a $700m thanks, not a 20k thanks

[DT.]

65 οι Τ/κ μαθητές στη Σχολή
NOt using this against them. Merely stating our contributions...social security is paid out and salaries are received because jobs are given to TC's. Its the existence of employment opportunities I wish to highlight here. As far as the passports are concerned why is it their right to apply for a passport Sadik? You don't recognise the ROC so what are they applying for?

As for Cyprus-kill since you love philelefthero so much here is the proof that you were looking for.

Σύμφωνα με στοιχεία του υπουργείου Παιδείας, φέτος φοιτούν στην Αγγλική Σχολή 65 Τουρκοκύπριοι μαθητές εκ των οποίων μόνο ένας ζει στις ελεύθερες περιοχές ενώ οι υπόλοιποι στα κατεχόμενα.
Μετά την εισβολή, οι πρώτοι 22 Τ/κ μαθητές άρχισαν να φοιτούν στη Σχολή το 2003, με τη μερική άρση των περιορισμών διακίνησης. Τότε το κράτος προσέφερε πλήρη υποτροφία (μέχρι και την αποφοίτησή τους) στους 22, την οποία αποδέχτηκαν οι 18. Οι άλλοι τέσσερις μαθητές, πληρώνουν οι ίδιοι τα δίδακτρά τους. Από το 2005 μέχρι σήμερα, οι Τ/κ (πλην των 18 που έχουν πλήρη υποτροφία) μοιράζονται ετησίως κρατική χορηγία ύψους £20.000.

[sadik]

First of all, I attend the school, and I know the person that got injured, I saw his bruise 1 minute after it happened, so I don't think that I'm a non-suitable person to talk about this. Secondly, I know who was wearing the cross, and the entire story from first hand.

So, the Turkish student spat on the Cypriot's shoe because of the cross.

20-25 hooded people came and started beating up people. At least 10 got hit, 5 Turks and 5 Cypriots. One of the Turks, is the one "seriously" injured, who had just a big bruise on his head, but has recovered over night!!! They saw him at school the next day, with no scars, no bruises etc. He had rejected medical care from any Cypriot hospital. (there was no need anyway)

P.S: We were already discussing this on the youth thread since it begun.

I guess by Turks you mean Turkish Cypriots, and by Cypriots Greek Cypriots.

[sadik]

DT, you are confusing something here...

As an individual, it doesn't matter if I recognize the RoC or not, or what my feelings are towards the RoC. I am not a state or a country myself. Recognition is between the states, and the state of Turkey does not recognize the RoC. We as TC individuals are generally complaining that our rights as part of the communinty which is a founding members of the RoC, have been stolen. We have been kicked out of the RoC, and we cannot excercise our political equality. This does not mean that I will reject a RoC passport, to the contrary I want to excercise my full rights.

65 οι Τ/κ μαθητές στη Σχολή
NOt using this against them. Merely stating our contributions...social security is paid out and salaries are received because jobs are given to TC's. Its the existence of employment opportunities I wish to highlight here. As far as the passports are concerned why is it their right to apply for a passport Sadik? You don't recognise the ROC so what are they applying for?

As for Cyprus-kill since you love philelefthero so much here is the proof that you were looking for.

Σύμφωνα με στοιχεία του υπουργείου Παιδείας, φέτος φοιτούν στην Αγγλική Σχολή 65 Τουρκοκύπριοι μαθητές εκ των οποίων μόνο ένας ζει στις ελεύθερες περιοχές ενώ οι υπόλοιποι στα κατεχόμενα.
Μετά την εισβολή, οι πρώτοι 22 Τ/κ μαθητές άρχισαν να φοιτούν στη Σχολή το 2003, με τη μερική άρση των περιορισμών διακίνησης. Τότε το κράτος προσέφερε πλήρη υποτροφία (μέχρι και την αποφοίτησή τους) στους 22, την οποία αποδέχτηκαν οι 18. Οι άλλοι τέσσερις μαθητές, πληρώνουν οι ίδιοι τα δίδακτρά τους. Από το 2005 μέχρι σήμερα, οι Τ/κ (πλην των 18 που έχουν πλήρη υποτροφία) μοιράζονται ετησίως κρατική χορηγία ύψους £20.000.

[DT.]

So you yourself Sadik pledge allegiance to the republic of cyprus and accept that by holding its passport you are one of its citizens?

If yes, welcome home brother.

[Swashbuckler]

First of all, I attend the school, and I know the person that got injured, I saw his bruise 1 minute after it happened, so I don't think that I'm a non-suitable person to talk about this. Secondly, I know who was wearing the cross, and the entire story from first hand.

So, the Turkish student spat on the Cypriot's shoe because of the cross.

20-25 hooded people came and started beating up people. At least 10 got hit, 5 Turks and 5 Cypriots. One of the Turks, is the one "seriously" injured, who had just a big bruise on his head, but has recovered over night!!! They saw him at school the next day, with no scars, no bruises etc. He had rejected medical care from any Cypriot hospital. (there was no need anyway)

P.S: We were already discussing this on the youth thread since it begun.

(MY EMPHASIS)

Firstly, Klik, thank you for your informative post.

However, you have inadvertantly confirmed what many turkish-CYPRIOTS already suspected - that greek-CYPRIOTS are taught from a young age not to regard us TCs as Cypriot at all...but rather as "Turks".

Having waded through all the dross and lies on this forum I find this honest post to be the most revealing and depressing of all.

To wit the youth of one Cypriot segment does not regard another part as the same.

Truly we have no hope.

[bg_turk]

Here is the description of the incident by Cyprus Mail today:

"around 20 masked Greek Cypriot youths, who entered the English School grounds and attacked a group of Turkish Cypriot pupils, punching and kicking them."

I find this very disturbing. I think the TRNC must make it clear to the Administration in the South that it will not tolerate attacks against its citizens, and if the South Cypriot Administration is unable to guarantee the safety and lives of Turkish Cypriots then all students from the South should be recalled.

[zan]

First of all, I attend the school, and I know the person that got injured, I saw his bruise 1 minute after it happened, so I don't think that I'm a non-suitable person to talk about this. Secondly, I know who was wearing the cross, and the entire story from first hand.

So, the Turkish student spat on the Cypriot's shoe because of the cross.

20-25 hooded people came and started beating up people. At least 10 got hit, 5 Turks and 5 Cypriots. One of the Turks, is the one "seriously" injured, who had just a big bruise on his head, but has recovered over night!!! They saw him at school the next day, with no scars, no bruises etc. He had rejected medical care from any Cypriot hospital. (there was no need anyway)

P.S: We were already discussing this on the youth thread since it begun.

(MY EMPHASIS)

Firstly, Klik, thank you for your informative post.

However, you have inadvertantly confirmed what many turkish-CYPRIOTS already suspected - that greek-CYPRIOTS are taught from a young age not to regard us TCs as Cypriot at all...but rather as "Turks".

Having waded through all the dross and lies on this forum I find this honest post to be the most revealing and depressing of all.

To wit the youth of one Cypriot segment does not regard another part as the same.

Truly we have no hope.

We can always look forward to becoming Greek Muslims

[Kifeas]

First of all, I attend the school, and I know the person that got injured, I saw his bruise 1 minute after it happened, so I don't think that I'm a non-suitable person to talk about this. Secondly, I know who was wearing the cross, and the entire story from first hand.

So, the Turkish student spat on the Cypriot's shoe because of the cross.

20-25 hooded people came and started beating up people. At least 10 got hit, 5 Turks and 5 Cypriots. One of the Turks, is the one "seriously" injured, who had just a big bruise on his head, but has recovered over night!!! They saw him at school the next day, with no scars, no bruises etc. He had rejected medical care from any Cypriot hospital. (there was no need anyway)

P.S: We were already discussing this on the youth thread since it begun.

(MY EMPHASIS)

Firstly, Klik, thank you for your informative post.

However, you have inadvertantly confirmed what many turkish-CYPRIOTS already suspected - that greek-CYPRIOTS are taught from a young age not to regard us TCs as Cypriot at all...but rather as "Turks".

Having waded through all the dross and lies on this forum I find this honest post to be the most revealing and depressing of all.

To wit the youth of one Cypriot segment does not regard another part as the same.

Truly we have no hope.

It constitutes an ultimate insult on our intelligence and an ultimate act of hypocrisy on the part of the side whose leadership, it's political world and it's entire propaganda machinery have all turned it into a most basic dogma of their political ambitions “that in Cyprus there is no Cypriot nation but only two separate people, the Greeks and the Turks,” to now complain, protest and criticise the opinion and views of a mere single GC individual that expresses similar ideas like them.

Buckler, you are clueless! What you criticise from what Klik has said, is not the official position of the GC side, but only the one of the Turkish Cypriot community and your “motherland!” Know what you are talking about! Do not be sorry about what one GC youngster says. Be sorry about the official positions of your community and your leadership instead, because they are not different from those of Klik!