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[BigDutch]

I know we subsidise that, some electricity that goes to the occupied areas, pensions to TC's...etc I was wondering though what the TC's do as a goodwill gesture to us? This isn;t me picking a fight I'm sincerely wondering.

I understand there are TC's that are RoC passport holders, reside in RoC, pay taxes and get benefits as much as any other citizen

There are then TC's that applied for passports, reside in occupied areas but work, are taxed (i assume) and get benefits in RoC.

There there are TC's that reside in occupied areas and don't come to RoC at all.

Which TC's should be doing something for goodwill ? Surely its the occupying regime (not the people) that need to show goodwill ?

[DT.]

the free electricity, the free health care and the subsidising is not paid for by the 5,000 TC's that reside in the govt controlled area. I think its more of a case of 700,000GC's paying for the TC community to enjoy the services of the govt and show that they are welcoms as citizens. Its strange though that we never hear any compaining about the free stuff the TC's get. If they are so independant and they have their own govt then why do they need a foreign govt to provide them with these things?

[sadik]

I know we subsidise that, some electricity that goes to the occupied areas, pensions to TC's...etc I was wondering though what the TC's do as a goodwill gesture to us? This isn;t me picking a fight I'm sincerely wondering.

TCs extended the hand of peace in good will, which was not taken. We accepted the Annan plan. OK, it was not good enough for the GCs. There is nothing wrong with that. I said many times that this was not the only plan that we would have accepted, but the only one on the table. What's wrong is portraying our acceptance of the plan as part of a great conspiricy against the GCs, using the referandum process to fanaticize the GC youth and cultivate hatered towards the TCs.

[sadik]

the free electricity, the free health care and the subsidising is not paid for by the 5,000 TC's that reside in the govt controlled area. I think its more of a case of 700,000GC's paying for the TC community to enjoy the services of the govt and show that they are welcoms as citizens. Its strange though that we never hear any compaining about the free stuff the TC's get. If they are so independant and they have their own govt then why do they need a foreign govt to provide them with these things?

DT, some of these things for TCs are really out of good will of some GCs. Not every GC and not everyone in the government has bad intention towards the TCs. And these things are appreceated. Some other things are designed to facilitate the Osmosis Process, ie. absorbtion of the TCs back into the GC contolled RoC without our full rights in the RoC. In some areas, such as passports and IDs, its legal responsibility. So it's not as simple as you put it. In any case, this is government policy.

[cypezokyli]

One reaction from this (just to prove the TC's aren;t the only ones to over react is that in another private school they have banned crosses!!! omething which i wholly unconstutional and which acts as a reward to the racist action of the TC student.

Bottom line, one TC was bruised, one GC was insulted and a bunch of us are arguing about it on a forum.

your source should stop being simerini radio proto etc...
you have managed all to put this fascist division in your head : "a gc was insulted". how was he insulted re ? and who insulted him ?
oh yes, it was a tc!!!! the enemy!!!

wake up, it was an 11-year old! your inability to view his age but yet concentrate on his ethnicity is amazing!!! despite the 5000 pounds per year education!

Bottom line, one TC was bruised, one GC was insulted

WRONG!
completely wrong!!!
under no circumstances you cannot equate the two.
the first was an 11-year old , who had a fight with another 11 year old. he didnot spat on his cross but on the ground (unless you are listening to radio proto who in their main news yesterday they said : " eftyse pano tou sto edafos" the stupidity of these people never seizes to amaze me !!!!!!! )
he apologised, his parents said a letter of apology , and the paretns of the gc accepted the apology. all these small , unimportant parts of the story you either didnot listen (because of your sources) or even worse you heard but chose to ignore them.

now the second event is fundamentally different and it is completely irrelevant from the first.
the kids from the other school (thinking as immaturally as you) saw the whole event as an ethnic one.
even worse, they thought that they should pretend their brainwashed pride.
even worse, they and apparently some students of the school , decided that the administration of their prestigious school cannot enforce some order and as a concequence they should take the law in their hand.
even worse, the topic was fuelled by a well known fascist newspaper 2 weeks after the event was solved.
even worse, the fact that a newspaper article can fuel such a result , these are signs that should start ringing alarms all over the whole country.
even worse, as typical ellinarades with their great hellenic soul, didnot even have the guts to put a real one-against-one fight.
even worse, if politis report today is right, and these manges do have connection with specific groups, it should start really worrying us

do i really have to continue ?

[DT.]

thats my point sadik, how can somethings be a legal obligation to us when you state on numerous occassions that the govt of ROC does not represent the TC's. Its a little selective isn't it?

[reportfromcyprus]

The police arrested one person (18) and he admitted to being involved; the attack wasn't tolerated by the authorities, which is a good example.

But...we can't forget that kids learn from their parents and from their schooling, and they are being taught to hate and fear the Turks. Let's not beat about the bush; it's already institutionalised to think of the Turks and Turkish-Cypriots as enemies, and vice versa.

[BirKibrisli]

Lets hope this is not the beginning of a dirty campaign to prove that Cypriots cannot possibly live together. In any other counrty in the world this incident would pass as insignificant,just two rival schools having a go at each other. But in Cyprus kids don't have the luxury of being kids,being silly.Everything gets reduced to an ethnic conflict. It is too much to ask those kids to be politically correct at all times...

[cypezokyli]

Lets hope this is not the beginning of a dirty campaign to prove that Cypriots cannot possibly live together.

the greatest paradox , is the inablity to understand that such action from gcs are only helping denktash to achieve his aims.
in their brainwashed attempt to take their blood back, they are betraying their country for a second time.

its just sad

[DT.]

One reaction from this (just to prove the TC's aren;t the only ones to over react is that in another private school they have banned crosses!!! omething which i wholly unconstutional and which acts as a reward to the racist action of the TC student.

Bottom line, one TC was bruised, one GC was insulted and a bunch of us are arguing about it on a forum.

your source should stop being simerini radio proto etc...
you have managed all to put this fascist division in your head : "a gc was insulted". how was he insulted re ? and who insulted him ?
oh yes, it was a tc!!!! the enemy!!!

wake up, it was an 11-year old! your inability to view his age but yet concentrate on his ethnicity is amazing!!! despite the 5000 pounds per year education!

Bottom line, one TC was bruised, one GC was insulted

WRONG!
completely wrong!!!
under no circumstances you cannot equate the two.
the first was an 11-year old , who had a fight with another 11 year old. he didnot spat on his cross but on the ground (unless you are listening to radio proto who in their main news yesterday they said : " eftyse pano tou sto edafos" the stupidity of these people never seizes to amaze me !!!!!!! )
he apologised, his parents said a letter of apology , and the paretns of the gc accepted the apology. all these small , unimportant parts of the story you either didnot listen (because of your sources) or even worse you heard but chose to ignore them.

now the second event is fundamentally different and it is completely irrelevant from the first.
the kids from the other school (thinking as immaturally as you) saw the whole event as an ethnic one.
even worse, they thought that they should pretend their brainwashed pride.
even worse, they and apparently some students of the school , decided that the administration of their prestigious school cannot enforce some order and as a concequence they should take the law in their hand.
even worse, the topic was fuelled by a well known fascist newspaper 2 weeks after the event was solved.
even worse, the fact that a newspaper article can fuel such a result , these are signs that should start ringing alarms all over the whole country.
even worse, as typical ellinarades with their great hellenic soul, didnot even have the guts to put a real one-against-one fight.
even worse, if politis report today is right, and these manges do have connection with specific groups, it should start really worrying us

do i really have to continue ?

before you start insulting my education and calling me immature my very mature neo kyprios friendi think you should chill out. I'm not saying anything different from you. The police are on it and justice will be served to these idiots who started the attack. The TC's parents who spat at the crucifix should also have a word with someone. If nothin else for his own safety becaue if he continues thinking this way in a gC deminated school he might get into bigger trouble later.

I will finish by not calling you an overreacting idiot who is blowing this up out of proportion fuelling the arguments of those who believe that we cannot live together. I will also not dispute your education though I have an idea of it sorigin (or lack of) and I shall not call you immature for jumping down the throat of someone who is trying to dicuss this in a resonable manner with amongst others some TC forum colleagues.

If i did i'd be like you.