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[zan]

Zan, the word "turk" came to Europe along with your people, that's all that needs to be said about the matter, just quit it

Why? I know it makes no difference to us being proud to be Turkish but clarity on the word is a must. You seem to want to use it in a warped way that I don't understand. I am proud to be a Turk where ever the word came from but before Mustafa Kemal Attaturk took the word and made us Turks it was a derogatory word. Simple. Sorry not to drop to my knees at your command to stop but we Turkish Cypriots have stopped doing that now. We require the same respect that is afforded to all people of the world that you Greeks seem to think you own.

I don't know what the word "Turk" meant in Turkish or Chinese, but in Europe the word was identified with your people. Do you question that?
Now could you please comment on the CIA factbook's data?

If you were to calm down a little you will see that in my first post on the subject. I have never denied that we have always been Turks I just mentioned that you had not fully done your home work in trying to get me riled. It seems to have back fired a little.


Now what sort of comment would you like me to give you while you are barking out your orders. Should I hang my head or cheer our Greek contingent on for doing a splendid job????

[Piratis]

ZAn, the topic here is "Treatment of GC's under Ottoman rule" why you are always trying to change the subject.

Tell me which one of the following you disagree:

1) The Turks came to Cyprus to exploit Cypriots and Cyprus
2) The Cypriots didn't like what they perceived as oppression by the Turks (although you can claim it was just Turks showing their love and Cypriots misunderstood it)
3) Cypriots wanted to be liberated from the Ottomans, but all rebellions were oppressed by the Turks with many Cypriots being killed
4) When enough Muslims settled the island and some Christians converted to Islam Ottomans separated the population of Cyprus into Christians and Muslims.

Ok ... so far do you disagree with anything?

[zan]

ZAn, the topic here is "Treatment of GC's under Ottoman rule" why you are always trying to change the subject.

Tell me which one of the following you disagree:

1) The Turks came to Cyprus to exploit Cypriots and Cyprus
2) The Cypriots didn't like what they perceived as oppression by the Turks (although you can claim it was just Turks showing their love and Cypriots misunderstood it)
3) Cypriots wanted to be liberated from the Ottomans, but all rebellions were oppressed by the Turks with many Cypriots being killed
4) When enough Muslims settled the island and some Christians converted to Islam Ottomans separated the population of Cyprus into Christians and Muslims.

Ok ... so far do you disagree with anything?

1) The Turks came to Cyprus to war with the Venetians in 1571. The Venetians were rulers of Cyprus for nearly two Hundred years.

The rest of your story does not fit after that sorry. Although I can imagine that the people that occupied Cyprus at the time were a little pissed off. The rest goes with the times I am afraid.

[alexISS]

If you were to calm down a little you will see that in my first post on the subject. I have never denied that we have always been Turks I just mentioned that you had not fully done your home work in trying to get me riled. It seems to have back fired a little.

Nope, what you mentioned in that post was that the word "Turk" in those wikipedia quotes I posted reffered to "nomadic hordes of thieves and looters that gathered in the Russian steppes" and not to Turks.
"Mustafa Kemal Attaturk turned the whole thing around and names us by that name". If you have doubts about your own people's name don't expect me to clear it up for you

Now what sort of comment would you like me to give you while you are barking out your orders. Should I hang my head or cheer our Greek contingent on for doing a splendid job????

I have no idea why you think I'm not calm, or why you feel like I'm ordering you, not everyone debates at your standards you know...

Anyway, I hoped you would comment on Turkey's poor ratings rather than Greece's... Does it not make you mad that at the same time you spend billions on arms?

[zan]

If you were to calm down a little you will see that in my first post on the subject. I have never denied that we have always been Turks I just mentioned that you had not fully done your home work in trying to get me riled. It seems to have back fired a little.

Nope, what you mentioned in that post was that the word "Turk" in those wikipedia quotes I posted reffered to "nomadic hordes of thieves and looters that gathered in the Russian steppes" and not to Turks.
"Mustafa Kemal Attaturk turned the whole thing around and names us by that name". If you have doubts about your own people's name don't expect me to clear it up for you

Now what sort of comment would you like me to give you while you are barking out your orders. Should I hang my head or cheer our Greek contingent on for doing a splendid job????

I have no idea why you think I'm not calm, or why you feel like I'm ordering you, not everyone debates at your standards you know...

Anyway, I hoped you would comment on Turkey's poor ratings rather than Greece's... Does it not make you mad that at the same time you spend billions on arms?

I went to the smallest towns in Turkey for my holiday last year and did not see a single person starving or begging in the streets. I am sure there are some in the big Cities but even on the remotest mountain there is food and shelter, fresh and pure. Now you tell me what is missing in that part of the world and I will tell you if they need it. They sure as hell need arms to protect themselves in that region. Once in the EU though we can stop spending so much on guns and use it to supercharge our donkeys.

[alexISS]

Right, women are not illiterate in Turkey, 40 infant deaths in every 1000 births is insignificant, so is people dying young. You will never admit that Turkey screws her own people because you obviously are not one of the less fortunate, and that's why you have no problem with Turkey's arm race. People need arms to protect themselves?!? Turkey bombards villages in her own region, that's where the arms are used

[Piratis]

1) The Turks came to Cyprus to war with the Venetians in 1571. The Venetians were rulers of Cyprus for nearly two Hundred years.

Sure. But this doesn't change:

1) The Turks came to Cyprus to exploit Cypriots and Cyprus

If it was just about the Venetians then they would just kill the Venetians and leave.

[zan]

Right, women are not illiterate in Turkey, 40 infant deaths in every 1000 births is insignificant, so is people dying young. You will never admit that Turkey screws her own people because you obviously are not one of the less fortunate, and that's why you have no problem with Turkey's arm race. People need arms to protect themselves?!? Turkey bombards villages in her own region, that's where the arms are used

Hey! Look you did not ask me what I thought about Turkey as a whole. You started lambasting them and my Turkishness, so what did you want me to do. Who do you think I am Birkibrisli

There are a lot of problems in Turkey but you forget that I live in the UK and therefore in the real world. When the Brits can get this living lark right and stop the begging on the streets and the killing of people in their own country and can bloody well collect my rubbish without threatening to charge me more and more each year then I would laugh at Turkey. They are even going to come round and photograph all the rooms and the Garden in my house and keep it on a computer. As for the south of Cyprus don't even get me started on that. Now I am wound up but I did it to my self.....

[bg_turk]

Right, women are not illiterate in Turkey, 40 infant deaths in every 1000 births is insignificant, so is people dying young. You will never admit that Turkey screws her own people because you obviously are not one of the less fortunate, and that's why you have no problem with Turkey's arm race. People need arms to protect themselves?!?

The hostile regimes that surround Turkey simply make it a necessity to spend on the millitary. In the absence of any European sympathy towards the Turks, as you yourself have noted, what security guarantees are there for the territorial integrity and foreign interests of Turkey, except is own armed forces?

Turkey bombards villages in her own region, that's where the arms are used

For the sake of truth, stop making unsubstantiated claims.

[Piratis]

The hostile regimes that surround Turkey

What you mean to say is that Turkey is hostile against most of its neighbors.