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[bg_turk]

For 400 years the Greeks were Slaves to the TURKS, every document from that era that mentions your people mentions them as TURKS.

Slaves my ass. Do you even know what it means to be a slave? African Americans were slaves. You were not.

I'm afraid people ARE racist towards the Turks, giving the word another meaning does not change that fact.

Yes they are all stinking racists,

[zan]

If you tried harder you would find that the word Turk or to be more precise Turkey as it is spelt today is a derogatory word from the Chinese.
Long before Kemal Attaturk took hold of our identity and made us proud to be Turkish this word was used to describe the nomadic hordes of thieves and looters that gathered in the Russian steppes. The people had no religion and no country but like Gengis Khan they grew and got more organised and concored a large part of the globe. A young Turk meant trouble was on the way and not a people. Mustafa Kemal Attaturk turned the whole thing around and names us by that name so that we are never to be ashamed of being called a Turk, and so we are not.

So the whole philosophy of Attaturk was not to make his nation better and more civilized, but to just make them feel proud of their barbaric actions?

Thanks zan, this explains a lot. It perfectly explains why some Turks can't see the obvious, and they instead insist that their illegal criminal actions are the right ones. It also explains why Turkey is stuck in the middle ages.

It does not explain why the Greeks are so stubborn and insist they are always right and would rather go to war than lead a peaceful life. The ones like you anyway....

[alexISS]

some data from the CIA world factbook...

Turkey:
Infant mortality rate:
total: 39.69 deaths/1,000 live births
male: 43.27 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 35.93 deaths/1,000 live births (2006 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 72.62 years
male: 70.18 years
female: 75.18 years (2006 est.)

Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 86.5%
male: 94.3%
female: 78.7% (2003 est.)

GDP - per capita (PPP):
$8,400 (2005 est.)

Population below poverty line:
20% (2002)

Greece:
Infant mortality rate:
total: 5.43 deaths/1,000 live births
male: 5.97 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 4.86 deaths/1,000 live births (2006 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 79.24 years
male: 76.72 years
female: 81.91 years (2006 est.)

Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 97.5%
male: 98.6%
female: 96.5% (2003 est.)

GDP - per capita (PPP):
$22,300 (2005 est.)

Population below poverty line:
NA%

[zan]

Not very good research I am afraid...


If you tried harder you would find that the word Turk or to be more precise Turkey as it is spelt today is a derogatory word from the Chinese.
Long before Kemal Attaturk took hold of our identity and made us proud to be Turkish this word was used to describe the nomadic hordes of thieves and looters that gathered in the Russian steppes. The people had no religion and no country but like Gengis Khan they grew and got more organised and concored a large part of the globe. A young Turk meant trouble was on the way and not a people. Mustafa Kemal Attaturk turned the whole thing around and names us by that name so that we are never to be ashamed of being called a Turk, and so we are not.

That's pure fiction. For 400 years the Greeks were Slaves to the TURKS, every document from that era that mentions your people mentions them as TURKS. Τούρκοι, Τουρκιά. Greek folk songs from the 16th century refer to you as Turks, long before Ataturk's time...

I'm afraid people ARE racist towards the Turks, giving the word another meaning does not change that fact. A change of mentality might

Now you are talking bull shit. I cannot find the book that I need to quote from but if you speak to Pitsilos who is residing in China he will be able to tell you what (Excuse the spelling) Tur qui means. By the way I did not mention an era but said long before Mustafa Kemal Attaturk?????????????

[alexISS]

Slaves my ass. Do you even know what it means to be a slave? African Americans were slaves. You were not.

Are you serious? You TAUGHT the world what slavery is. How do you think the quotes I posted before came to be?

Eugène Delacroix - Massacre at Chios

[alexISS]

Zan, the word "turk" came to Europe along with your people, that's all that needs to be said about the matter, just quit it

[bg_turk]

Are you serious? You TAUGHT the world what slavery is. How do you think the quotes I posted before came to be?

oh really?

An ancient Greek punishing his slave.

[zan]

Zan, the word "turk" came to Europe along with your people, that's all that needs to be said about the matter, just quit it

Why? I know it makes no difference to us being proud to be Turkish but clarity on the word is a must. You seem to want to use it in a warped way that I don't understand. I am proud to be a Turk where ever the word came from but before Mustafa Kemal Attaturk took the word and made us Turks it was a derogatory word. Simple. Sorry not to drop to my knees at your command to stop but we Turkish Cypriots have stopped doing that now. We require the same respect that is afforded to all people of the world that you Greeks seem to think you own.

[alexISS]

bg_turk, would you like to comment on what I posted before instead?
Here, I'll post it again:

Turkey:
Infant mortality rate:
total: 39.69 deaths/1,000 live births
male: 43.27 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 35.93 deaths/1,000 live births (2006 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 72.62 years
male: 70.18 years
female: 75.18 years (2006 est.)

Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 86.5%
male: 94.3%
female: 78.7% (2003 est.)

GDP - per capita (PPP):
$8,400 (2005 est.)

Population below poverty line:
20% (2002)

Greece:
Infant mortality rate:
total: 5.43 deaths/1,000 live births
male: 5.97 deaths/1,000 live births
female: 4.86 deaths/1,000 live births (2006 est.)

Life expectancy at birth:
total population: 79.24 years
male: 76.72 years
female: 81.91 years (2006 est.)

Literacy:
definition: age 15 and over can read and write
total population: 97.5%
male: 98.6%
female: 96.5% (2003 est.)

GDP - per capita (PPP):
$22,300 (2005 est.)

Population below poverty line:
NA%

[alexISS]

Zan, the word "turk" came to Europe along with your people, that's all that needs to be said about the matter, just quit it

Why? I know it makes no difference to us being proud to be Turkish but clarity on the word is a must. You seem to want to use it in a warped way that I don't understand. I am proud to be a Turk where ever the word came from but before Mustafa Kemal Attaturk took the word and made us Turks it was a derogatory word. Simple. Sorry not to drop to my knees at your command to stop but we Turkish Cypriots have stopped doing that now. We require the same respect that is afforded to all people of the world that you Greeks seem to think you own.

I don't know what the word "Turk" meant in Turkish or Chinese, but in Europe the word was identified with your people. Do you question that?
Now could you please comment on the CIA factbook's data?