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Turkey: The chicken game is on

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby bg_turk » Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:13 pm

humanist wrote:I find it really frustrating when Turksih Speaking Cypriots keep saying that Turkey is not all that interested in becoming an EU state. Then why the hell apply for membership if you are not intersted in something please explain?

Turkish Speaking Cypriots do not want Turkey to pursue membership and abandon them, i.e. why Prisident Talat has been so persistent in trying to pursuade the Turkish leadership not to open the ports while Turkish Speaking Cypriots still remain under isolation.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Nov 23, 2006 5:23 pm

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You seem too confident in believing that anyone who's acting against Turkey's wishes is going to burn in the end, that's why Turkey is isolated and Turks believe the whole world is against them.


No i was referring to the "RoC" hot potato they have themselves put in their own laps, they will continue to face the baggage the south transferred into the EU and don't forget this is only the beginning, there are also many supporters of Turkeys course towards the EU and if their interests dictate they support Turkey in favor of the "RoC" they will without blinking an eye. Don't forget the arm twisting when Turkey got a date for accession talks, the GC rhetoric then was we will use our veto, we will stop these Turks in the tracks and revenge will be sweet, what happened midnight diplomacy and Turkey gets the date she asks for :wink:

Unbiased decisions? You apply for entry in a club which includes the RoC, of course she has a say in how you will be treated. You haven't realized that by applying for membership you actually ask for the RoC's permission to enter.


How can you have a body like the EU making unbiased or independent decisions when the south which is one half of the problem in the EU? The Cyprus problem can only be fairly addressed by an independent body like the UN, the GC leadership is trying to force its demands on us via Turkey using the EU as a catalyst to move things along and in their direction, you must be able to see this.

I don't know if the TCs are "as European as the Arabs", but the GCs are definately as European as the Greeks (unless you think that Greeks are not European either). Being after the money and considering the EU ideals as "crap" is why YOU are definately not European though.


I don't know whether to take this as a swipe but anyway we are as European as you seeing that we have over 400 years of shared history. :wink: I only refer to the EU ideals as being crap because you claimed that's why you entered my belief is it has nothing to do with those but solely to get the upper hand and have leverage over Turkey.

I don't know if you're aware of it, but the usage of EU funds is very clearly defined, if you think that EU entry will fill your wallet you are fooled. If anything, Greeks have lost a lot of their money's value after joining the Eurogroup and adopting the Euro as their currency, do some research on this. We have made many sacrifices for the EU, you on the other hand are an outsider that simply is ignorant of the EU mechanisms.


Are Greeks one of the biggest takers of EU funds??? with Ireland and a few others??? does this help to directly or indirectly support and improve their once corrupt economy???

I don't think it fair you calling me ignorant as you do not know me or my profession, an apology would be appreciated.

A hell of a coincidence, after 30 whole years you voted out Denktash just after the Greek veto was lifted and the EU doors opened for Turkey. Your vote has zero value and you know it, Turkey is the puppet master and you are the puppet. The annan plan was the only plan put to vote because your "government" rejected every other attempt for 30 years.


I feel this is very unfair as the GC leaders have for many years hidden and benefited from Denktas's stance only when we called your bluff at New York and Denktas stood his ground did the GC mask drop....the chain of events which followed and the rejection of the AP are all now documented history.

If you call Turkey's desire to enter the EU as "EU leverage" then fine.
According to your logic, if Turkey had no intention of applying for membership, Cyprus would have no reason to join, since it would not give her any leverage, right? Well, you're wrong, Cyprus would have entered anyway.


Whether they did or not if Turkey had no prior desire for entry then you are right but the GCs saw the opportunity to get in the EU and block Turkey at every turn this is very evident today and they have confirmed this by stating that you will find the GCs at the end of every chapter ready with their veto....

Name it what you want, Greece defended its interests as every other EU country does. That's the beauty of it, equality, a country of 600.000 is not overshadowed or silenced by a country of 80.000.000. I know that's beyond your or Turkey's comprehension, but that's how it's done in Europe.


Since when has blackmail been an EU norm?

did talk about today's Turkey. Of course Turkey will change in 20 years, that's what Greece has been waiting for for a very long time...


I applaud Greece for their maturity and realization that Turkey is a worthy ally and the steps they have taken over the past years have been very positive, if only we could get that co-operation going in Cyprus we could solve some of our problems on our own.

I think the two communities are as alienated as they could ever be, when you've reached the bottom you can only go up


You obviously didn't hear about the fight at the English School in Nicosia where TCs student were beaten by GC students and the arrest of anyone including TCs for living and using disputed land, I don't think we have hit rock bottom yet, there is a lot more the "RoC" can do to alienate both sides, the talk in the north today was be careful if you want to go to the south you could get arrested as the majority of TCs have connections with disputed GC property. The crossings reported today have dropped dramatically.
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Postby alexISS » Thu Nov 23, 2006 11:19 pm

Viewpoint, I did not call you an ignorant personally, by "you" I meant Turkey and the TCs.

Do you believe that Turkey has shown any of the maturity that Greece has concerning Greco-Turkish relations? Wouldn't things be much better if she had?

As for the rest of your post, I believe there's no reason in further debating, our views are so different that it could go on forever and we would still be where we are now
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