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[humanist]

I find it really frustrating when Turksih Speaking Cypriots keep saying that Turkey is not all that interested in becoming an EU state. Then why the hell apply for membership if you are not intersted in something please explain?

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VP Wrote:
""""Turkeys application was lodged well before the south and the EU knew the island was divided yet they chose to proceed""""

The EU does not recognise that the island of Cyprus consists of two nations rather than one nation with 38 % of its land occupied by Turkey. The partitionists , amongst whom you are the protagonist , will insist that their Turkish created state unrecognised universally is the legitimate state in Cyprus !!
I know you will again refer me to what you stubbornly believe. There is no South or North but there is a universally recognised Cyprus which belongs to you and to me . I claim mine it is time that you claim yours too and tell your political leaders to get out of Turkeys nickers , allow Turkey to enter the EU for the sake of 70 million people and future Turkish generations. The EU needs Turkey as a full member , and it is Turkeys stubborn shortsighted behaviour that is damaging her prospects of continue discussions leading to full membership. Turkey can go nowhere on her own successfully.

Miltiades the USSR was once a universally recognised country, so was Serbia Montenegro, things change and you have to change with them obviously you are not able to comprehend this.

Turkey will go where she wants and take the loss or reap the rewards, it is clearly her choice. The EU will not let Turkey go they will at best suspend a few chapters and move on, they need to keep Turkey in toe otherwise they will have an 70/80 million population of anti EU Islamic gateway into the middle east and no control over what direction Turkey will pursue. AT least this way they have the opportunity to have a foothold in the Turkish institutions and organisations, which means monitoring and the power to change issues towards the EU.

[Piratis]

Miltiades the USSR was once a universally recognised country, so was Serbia Montenegro, things change and you have to change with them obviously you are not able to comprehend this.

USSR was made by several countries, the same with Serbia-Montenegro.

Cyprus is one country with a GC majority and a TC minority. Thats the fact.

Do you know that in Latvia today there is 30% Russian minority Viewpoint?

Because Russians went to Latvia this doesn't mean Latvians lost their country. The same with Cyprus. Because a Turkish minority was created during the Ottoman rule this doesn't mean that part of Cyprus became Turkish.

Turks will keep the north part of our country illegally occupied for as long as they can. In the end it will be returned to its legal inhabitants who have a history of 3500 years on that land.

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Piratis

USSR was made by several countries, the same with Serbia-Montenegro.

As is Cyprus today recognized or unrecognized, divided into 2 countries.

Cyprus is one country with a GC majority and a TC minority. Thats the fact.

Not according to us and Turkey and in the future many other countries, all a matter of time.

Do you know that in Latvia today there is 30% Russian minority Viewpoint?

Did they arrive over 400 years ago? Do they hold 30% of the island?

Turks will keep the north part of our country illegally occupied for as long as they can. In the end it will be returned to its legal inhabitants who have a history of 3500 years on that land.

Correct, just dont hold your breath

[Piratis]

As is Cyprus today recognized or unrecognized, divided into 2 countries.

Cyprus is partly occupied, like part of Russia was under German occupation during WWII. Don't confuse the two.

Not according to us and Turkey and in the future many other countries, all a matter of time.

Sure, Russia didn't belong to Russians according to the Nazis and their allies. Same case with you.

Did they arrive over 400 years ago? Do they hold 30% of the island?

They arrived more than 400 years ago and they used to control the 100% of the land. However Latvians were their first, and Latvia was their country.

Correct, just dont hold your breath

I am not, since meanwhile you and Turkey are losing at least as much as we do from your insistence on illegalities. Your attempt to gain on our loss has failed.

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Piratis

I am not, since meanwhile you and Turkey are losing at least as much as we do from your insistence on illegalities. Your attempt to gain on our loss has failed.

Has anything changed? no, obviously everyone can live with their loses.

[raymanuva]

Has

You

anything changed?

are

no, obviously

annoying me

everyone can live

very much

with their loses.

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Your problem deal with it....

[raymanuva]

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[alexISS]

Turkey has been trying to enter the EU for over 40 years, so it was Turkey that knocked on the door first not the south. But see it how you like that's your privilege.

As it is yours

Then the EU can just play with this hot potato until it burns their hands just like the UN who have near enough washed their hands of the Cyprus problem since the rejection of the AP.

You seem too confident in believing that anyone who's acting against Turkey's wishes is going to burn in the end, that's why Turkey is isolated and Turks believe the whole world is against them.

How can the EU make unbiased decisions when the south is a member and will push 101% for their own demands?

Unbiased decisions? You apply for entry in a club which includes the RoC, of course she has a say in how you will be treated. You haven't realized that by applying for membership you actually ask for the RoC's permission to enter.

This is the only reason you entered the EU to take the Cyprus platform onto another stage where you can get EU leverage, if you cannot see this you are blind, what other benefits have you gotten other than a headache of applying EU norms and the cost of updating many of your industries, please don't give the EU harmony and philosophy crap the GCs are no more European than the Arabs and they are part of the middle east.

I don't know if the TCs are "as European as the Arabs", but the GCs are definately as European as the Greeks (unless you think that Greeks are not European either). Being after the money and considering the EU ideals as "crap" is why YOU are definately not European though.

The Eu purpose is derived from strength in numbers and equality between all men, do you really believe a country like Poland, Estonia joined for the philosophy, its was purely Economical Greece should know this they are one of the biggest takers from the EU.

I don't know if you're aware of it, but the usage of EU funds is very clearly defined, if you think that EU entry will fill your wallet you are fooled. If anything, Greeks have lost a lot of their money's value after joining the Eurogroup and adopting the Euro as their currency, do some research on this. We have made many sacrifices for the EU, you on the other hand are an outsider that simply is ignorant of the EU mechanisms.

We voted him out, leaders come and leaders go we opted for change and a UN brokered comprehensive solution. What did the GC opt for a ex eoka leader , rejection of the Annan plan for EU entry and the European solution. This was the only plan ever put to the vote so we showed to the world who wants reunification via a plan endorsed by the majority of the world.

A hell of a coincidence, after 30 whole years you voted out Denktash just after the Greek veto was lifted and the EU doors opened for Turkey. Your vote has zero value and you know it, Turkey is the puppet master and you are the puppet. The annan plan was the only plan put to vote because your "government" rejected every other attempt for 30 years.

Getting somewhere using what? EU leverage thought u said that's not why u entered the EU. Contradicting yourself me thinks.

If you call Turkey's desire to enter the EU as "EU leverage" then fine.
According to your logic, if Turkey had no intention of applying for membership, Cyprus would have no reason to join, since it would not give her any leverage, right? Well, you're wrong, Cyprus would have entered anyway.

You are not the one being subjected to the above criteria so of course you will churn out excuses but the fact remains that the EU is place where you can get your way if you have the means and Greece played the i will veto the 9 candidate nations if you do not let the divided country in called the "RoC"..the other name for it is blackmail.

Name it what you want, Greece defended its interests as every other EU country does. That's the beauty of it, equality, a country of 600.000 is not overshadowed or silenced by a country of 80.000.000. I know that's beyond your or Turkey's comprehension, but that's how it's done in Europe.

What nationality are you? Ill guess Greek? Not a problem for me.

Greek

Turkey is the country which bridges east and west not just geographically but mentally as well, if you have never been to Turkey I suggest you do and see first hand the vast array of cultures and peoples that all live together that make Turkey such a fascinating and unusual country, with great potential.

I do plan to visit Istanbul, I know Turkey is unique, like every other country in the world

I have been to Greece and although a very modern and developed country it can never substitute the place of a country as vast and diverse as Turkey. If you consider the Turkey of today on the other side of the bridge then my friend you are very short sighted as you should be considering a Turkey in 20 years time, how long did it take Greece to adapt? or Spain I think is was 12 years.

I did talk about today's Turkey. Of course Turkey will change in 20 years, that's what Greece has been waiting for for a very long time...

Not at this rate the TC community is being alienated by the south and if the current trend continues the North will stay as is for many years to come.

I think the two communities are as alienated as they could ever be, when you've reached the bottom you can only go up