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[elko]

Humanis,
I think you need a new set of glasses. I referred to ERCAN in Capitals but somehow you missed it altogether.
Why is it that you Greeks and Europeans are so upset when the talks are stalling? We are quite happy but you keep reminding us about the terrible things that will follow. You reason that one out mate.
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[miltiades]

elko wrote "See you ten years later when the EU will crumble altogether."""

The only human on earth to predict the demise of the most successful union of nations in history. !!!
Could it be that like or not Turkey will go along agreeing to the EU protocols because she badly needs to enter the EU , the alternative is rather grim dont you agree .

[Issy1956]

Miltiades,
I hate to disagree with you but you must make allowances for the possibility that Turkey will be thwarted in her EU ambitions by a number of different reasons and may not be able or willing to pay the price of entry in terms of making the required number of concessions. Everybody has their limit.
You have got to ask yourself where do we go with the Cyprus issue if that happens. You are an intellegent man work it out. I suspect the GC political leadership havent got a plan B if Turkish membership is derailed.

[miltiades]

The concessions required to be made by Turkey are not beyond the realms of reality. The absurd situation where Cyprus is the only recognised legal state and yet Turkey adamantly refuses to recognise that Europe will not succumb to the whims of Turkey and allow progress to continue. Whilst I understand her refusal to recognise Cyprus , I , along with the entire world believe that there is only one Cyprus , the nation that the international bodies recognise and this nation is an independent republic that ought to be the representative nation of all Cypriots. I have always considered Turkey as well as Greece to be foreign nations with disproportionate influence in Cyprus. The church maintains a tight grip on the "Greekness of Cyprus " and I very much regret this . Likewise I'm certain the mosques also do so..
The Turkish politicians have indeed a difficult ride ahead. I'm not certain what other concessions have been demanded of Turkey which are beyond the normal requirements of the EU. Freedom of speech and freedom of the press are unquestionable demands. The right to criticize government actions is a divine right granted through out the Western world democracies. Turkey has many more problems to deal with not least the Kurdish one and her reluctance to accept that the Kurdish people do have a right to their own state after all there are more than 15 million in Turkey alone.

[Piratis]

I suspect the GC political leadership havent got a plan B if Turkish membership is derailed.

Plan A:

Turkey makes the first step (many more will soon be required) that in the end, before her accession, will lead to the full withdrawal of their troops from Republic of Cyprus.

Plan B:

If Turkey is unwilling to make the steps, then the EU accession of Turkey should be terminated asap, so Turkey can suffer a huge damage as a consequence.

[humanist]

Elko, am over it ..... first of all I am not Greek I am a Cypriot and I take offence to any reference of me being Greek I am a Cypriot who speaks Greek end of story.

Turkey continualy threatens to pull out of the EU talks. The just Do it that is all am saying.


Perhaps you are right EU should have never allowed a country that violates the rights of Europeans on a daily basis to start negotiations with the EU. The EU is a Peaceful Fair and Just Unity that is based on Equality and not violation of human rights within any of its States or outside. That is the only blame that the EU can accept for thinking that by allowing Turkey to begin talks it will show good gesture and peaceful political ideology.


And please don't come back with the old argument Turksih Speaking Cypriots are violated with the economic embargo ........ You will not be under any embargo if you choose to join the rest of Cyprus. The minute you hand back every refugee their proerty and you have the honesty and determination to participate in Cypriot life you too will be reap the rewards of Cyprus.

By you referring to us as Europeans you lock yourself out, remeber Cyprus is a European country all of it. You just choose to put yourselves where you are,

[Issy1956]

Piratis,
So your Plan B is merely to inflict damage on Turkey. I was refering to where "we" as Cypriots would be with the resolution of our issues. If you are typical of GC thinking then there is no plan B and there never again will be a united Cyprus. I guess Dentash has won.

[cypezokyli]

I suspect the GC political leadership havent got a plan B if Turkish membership is derailed.

Plan A:

Turkey makes the first step (many more will soon be required) that in the end, before her accession, will lead to the full withdrawal of their troops from Republic of Cyprus.

Plan B:

If Turkey is unwilling to make the steps, then the EU accession of Turkey should be terminated asap, so Turkey can suffer a huge damage as a consequence.

honestly, dream on

[Piratis]

Piratis,
So your Plan B is merely to inflict damage on Turkey. I was refering to where "we" as Cypriots would be with the resolution of our issues. If you are typical of GC thinking then there is no plan B and there never again will be a united Cyprus. I guess Dentash has won.

The Cyprus problem will be solved when the balance of power will change. Ending the EU accession process of Turkey is a good step in that direction.

The EU accession of Turkey could be beneficial for the resolution of the Cyprus problem if Turkey was willing to make some steps in ending the illegalities in Cyprus. If she is not willing to make these steps then there is no use of a Turkish accession process and therefore it should be terminated as it would only benefit Turkey and not Cyprus.

honestly, dream on

Dream on what? That an end to the EU accession process of Turkey will have negative consequences to Turkey? Thats not a dream but a fact.

[Viewpoint]

humanist

You will not be under any embargo if you choose to join the rest of Cyprus. The minute you hand back every refugee their proerty and you have the honesty and determination to participate in Cypriot life you too will be reap the rewards of Cyprus.

Obviously you have not yet realized that what your leaders have been feeding you for the past 32 years that every refugee will go back is not true this is impossible some will have to settle for compensation.
How can we participate in "Cypriot" life when the current structure in place is one the GC never wanted and claim they were forced into, it will not take them long to change the mechanics once they have us back in the "RoC" and manipulate the situation again to their advantage through their numerical superiority.
This island can only take one route and that is to have 2 states north and south allowing all Cypriots the right to settle in which ever state they wish under the administration of either the TCs or GCs. To much water has passed under the bridge to go backwards and start again opening old wounds and allowing the possiblity of the GCs watering down the TCs communites rights as per Akritas. We need a fresh start that will have safeguards in place to ensure one community does not dominate or hinder the other against their will.