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Not the UN, not the EU but the USA.

Postby MR-from-NG » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:09 pm

Read into this what you will but I believe it will be the USA who will play a massive role in solving the Cyprus problem.

I'm begining to like the Yanks. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Nicholas Watt in Brussels
Tuesday November 14, 2006
Guardian Unlimited


The United States today intervened in the row over Turkey's EU membership negotiations by questioning a key European demand.
Weeks ahead of an expected showdown between Turkey and the EU, Washington cast doubt on the EU's call for Ankara to open up its ports and airports to Greek Cypriot vessels by the end of this year.

European leaders are expected next month to suspend parts of Turkey's EU membership negotiations if Ankara refuses to live up to its commitment to extend its EU customs union to Cyprus. Recep Tayyip Erdogan, the Turkish prime minister, is refusing to act until the EU lifts its trade embargo of Turkish occupied northern Cyprus.

Washington, Turkey's staunchest ally which has long supported its EU membership bid, today offered some support for Ankara by questioning whether the EU had imposed a deadline. Matthew Bryza, the US deputy assistant secretary of state for Europe, said that the EU has been clear in demanding that Turkey act on Cyprus, but he insisted that no clear deadline was ever set.
"It is a factual observation, not an analytical one, that the language of October 3 [2005, the day Turkey's membership talks were formally launched] was not specific about deadlines. The language is ambiguous and intentionally ambiguous so that the political process can take place [and] member states can take whatever decision they want."

Mr Bryza's remarks set him at odds with all sides in the EU, including allies of Turkey, who agree that some form of punishment will have to be imposed - possibly at next month's EU summit - if Turkey refuses to act on Cyprus. This is on the basis that the EU pledged to review the implementation of the Ankara protocol, Turkey's customs union with all 25 EU members, by the end of this year.

Britain, Turkey's biggest supporter in the EU, is hoping to limit the punishment by suspending a small number of the 35 "chapters" in the membership negotiations which are specifically related to Cyprus and the customs union. These could cover transport and the free movement of goods.

Mr Bryza called for the EU to agree on an even lighter touch. He would like the EU to continue negotiations on the 34 chapters still under discussion, but to refuse to conclude them until Turkey moves. "Maybe one option would be not closing rather than not opening [chapters]," he said.

Mr Bryza insisted that he was not intervening directly in the negotiations which are a matter entirely for the EU and Turkey. "We are willing to offer any assistance or we are willing to do nothing at all ... This is the EU stadium, we are not in the stadium. Maybe we can buy a ticket for the match."

He said it would be wrong for Washington to repeat its 2004 intervention - in the run up to the EU's announcement of a start date for the negotiations - when George Bush telephoned Jacques Chirac and Gerhard Schroeder to say why it was important to anchor Turkey in the west.

But Mr Bryza's carefully calibrated remarks will be seen as an important signal of support for Turkey at a delicate moment.

France, which is emerging as the key player in the negotiations, yesterday made clear that its patience is running out. Catherine Colonna, France's Europe minister, said that the European Commission should publish its recommendations for how Turkey should be punished soon. "We can't wait until the last moment to consider the conclusions," she said.

Paris, which is growing increasingly sceptical of Turkey's EU membership bid, is likely to act as a broker between Britain, which will want a limited punishment, and Cyprus which may call for the entire negotiations to be suspended.
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Postby cypezokyli » Tue Nov 14, 2006 10:18 pm

the funny thing is that the average turk considers the US as his enemy !!!

on the topic, some pressure might indeed help turkey...or even backfire.
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Postby andri_cy » Wed Nov 15, 2006 1:17 am

You might think that whatever the US says will help, but I believe certain countries might take it wrong and it might actually work backwards.
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Postby pantheman » Wed Nov 15, 2006 2:39 am

How ironic, it was the god damn USA that caused the cyprus problem in the first place. And whats this about dead lines are they so stupid that when the UN passes resolutions to get out that exactly what it means. When Turkey are told to open their ports thats what it means. Why are they just playing with words ??

Well the obvious answer is they want cyprus the way it is under turkish occupation so they can have the bases and airfields which is what this is all about. The Americans don't care shit about cyprus and they continue to use it to get their way.

Is it any wonder why most of the world wants them dead ???

For a super power they suck, they sqeeze the little guy to get what the want they are a major bully. They are a sad nation, what does it tell you about a nation when the planet is dying and they won't support any mechanisms (kyoto springs to mind) so save it. It tells you they are S'8t.

I challenge anyone to prove me wrong, never mind fancy posts and long words just give me the facts how the US cares about anything but itself.

It has no real allies, it just uses people and countries to get what it wants shame on them and whatever they got coming they deserve for the poor treatment of people around the globe.

Bastards !!!!!
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Postby growuptcs » Wed Nov 15, 2006 3:50 am

USA never started or never planned to end the Cyprus problem. They just kiss Turkeys ass because of their military and location. Living in America, you'll never read anything biased against the Turks in the newspapers or the UK for that matter.
The UK on the other hand, is the culprit to point the finger at. The US dont promote TRNC packages. The US civil courts didn't pull off what the UK courts did in the Orams case, even if they did have nationals living in N.Cyprus. The US doesnt have any land in Cyprus that belongs to the Cypriot nation.
The UK is the bully, America just endorses the powerful with words to keep everyone happy, and tries to squeeze out contracts. Sooner or later Turkey will see not being part of the EU, they wouldn't be included in any kind of contracts from the EU. They never knew the saying of "get em where it hurts, in their pockets". They'll learn that saying real fast if they dont open up their ports.
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Postby zan » Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:01 am

Whats all the sour grapes? The US of A got Greece in through the back door and it looks like they are going to extend that advantage to Turkey.
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Postby Kifeas » Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:36 am

Mrfromng, in Greek we have a saying, “o pnigmenos apo ta mallia tou pianetai,” meaning: “a drowning person is usually trying to grab from his own hair, as a desperate last resort to save himself.”

In our case, Turkey is the drowning person that although it is offered a life-buoy, it still prefers to continue wasting valuable time in grabbing from its own hair, by looking at what the Americans may say about the merits of the fact of its drowning.
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Postby humanist » Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:58 am

This is mad. The Americans sold the guns to Turkey to invade Cyprus. Proven facts Turkey used nato powers American ammunition to come into Cyprus. The UK in fear of loosing bases in Cyprus inspired the whole thing. America supported it becuase it too wanted to have access to Cyprus.

Whose been fucked over and over Cypriots half of them lost ther homes and cannot return to their villages the other half have neen living in 11974 for the past 32 years ....... who's having the last laugh on all Cypriots UK & US.

Until those two fat ladies sing Turkey will stay out of EU, Cypriots will be fucked over and over again half without their homes the other half under economic embargo.

The best thing you can do is use the AP as basis fuck the UN, EU, UK & US reach an agreement and solve the bloody thing. Ablind donkey can come up with a fair solution.

Thank you for listening to mu grumble but all I can see is a milion people suffering & struggling and the big powers at benefiting at your expense ... grow up people.
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Postby zan » Wed Nov 15, 2006 11:58 am

Kifeas wrote:Mrfromng, in Greek we have a saying, “o pnigmenos apo ta mallia tou pianetai,” meaning: “a drowning person is usually trying to grab from his own hair, as a desperate last resort to save himself.”

In our case, Turkey is the drowning person that although it is offered a life-buoy, it still prefers to continue wasting valuable time in grabbing from its own hair, by looking at what the Americans may say about the merits of the fact of its drowning.



Even drowning has its various points of view. Is it still called drowning when someone has got their foot on the top of your head pushing you under. That is what we have and I am afraid that the fact that there is a third person working under the water keeping us above the waves makes you angry. You might find that when we all come to the surface that there are more people keeping us afloat than there are pushing us under. The RoC is just a little pebble in our pocket trying to act like a chain around our necks.
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Postby humanist » Wed Nov 15, 2006 12:07 pm

Zan there is no doubt that you have people helping you. otherwise the illegal occupation of Cyprus would have been over 32 years ago. But the very same people helping you from drowining will drown you to save their interests. Have no boubt about that. Because if Turkey is forced to withdraw its military from Cyprus then UK will be asked to hand back the bases to The republic of Cyprus that is the thread my friend.

I'm not sure if you are Cypriot or Turkish but that is the reality and that is the reason Cypriots living in the North are as isolated today as they were in 1974.
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