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Is that a flying pig I see?

Piatis, I have made it easier for you and posted my comments again but this time I have highlighted the only two sentences your mind is capable of seeing.

Mehmet, I have no problem with your line of thinking and it can be deemed as honourable to Cyprus but it is not for the Turkish Cypriot people. We all want to see peace but we have had peace for 32 years. It has been a war of words and of sabotage ever since. I have to slightly disagree with VP on one point here and that is the demonising of every GC. Although their government has done all it can to turn them against us I don’t think they have achieved there goal. I can understand why VP can feel the way he does because he lives it every day. I too felt the same way when I visited Cyprus a while back. It is hard to see the lights of Greek houses twinkling over the boarder and not to imagine hoards of angry GCs pouring over the boarder with gun in hand and killing everyone in sight. It is a chilling feeling but I managed to shake it off. It must feel the same way for the GCs that look in the other direction and see the lighted flag on the mountainside.

This is not a “war” against those people and if all things were equal and we could get rid of the past along with the politicians we could see that dream come true. A dream is all that it is I am afraid because the past is still hovering very close by and it still has influence on our lives today. These influences are not just in the way we think but also in our daily lives. I can think of home and know that the TRNC is that place. With what the RoC demands that home for me is no longer there. For the resident TCs, as in VPs case, it must feel even worse because they are being asked to give up the ground from under their feet. These lands are not the spoils of war as Kifeas and Piratis would like every one to believe but the land of necessity. This necessity grew from history. A history in which the GC aggressors forced us into. We can not turn back that time any more than we can erase all the wrongs that were done against us. OK you say so let us move on. Move on to what? We have been living under siege for 32 years. We have not been allowed to progress as people or as a state in which we can pursue wealth. The GCs are 5 times more affluent than we are and house prices and the GDP show that. The EU makes certain, on most counts, that any applicants for membership are, in relative terms, capable of providing for its’ infrastructure and its’ people. Those that are not yet up to scratch are given money in order for them to catch up and compete on a level playing ground. Even the smallest of countries have the right to a veto and for support of many kinds. What we are being asked to do is give up our state and join with no cushion or cover. We can legally freeze in the night air as any other Cypriot has the right to do. We are not offered any rights in the way that the EU offers. How will a TC buy a house with the potential earning that he will be more likely to get. Is it all right for an entire community to step straight into the lower class status. Will we see entire villages of TCs living in rented property with the worst of schools and services. Is it alright that these houses and flats are most likely to be owned by GCs. Why would we want that for our own people.

[Piratis]

To Noaxetogrind:

"pre-history"? I don't think I ever talked about pre-history in this forum. Or you define "pre-history" in the following way: "The time that Turks made a brake from committing crimes against GCs, only to continue a few years later". Thats your definition? Explain please.

If you can not recall where I refer to the violations against TCs by GCs and against GCs by TCs during the intercommunal conflict then I am afraid you missed a lot of my posts. But I don't blame you since I have a lot

Not only I talked about those crimes but I also condemn all the crimes committed against innocent TCs from our side. Unfortunately no TC so far has condemned the crimes against us. On the contrary they celebrate them and they insist on committing them as we speak.

A good example is that the leaders of the coup in both Greece and Cyprus were jailed. On the contrary Ecevit, that is responsible for the deaths of 6000 and the the ethnic cleansing of 200.000 Greek Cypriots, was recently buried as a hero.

[Piratis]

Piatis, I have made it easier for you and posted my comments again but this time I have highlighted the only two sentences your mind is capable of seeing.

and? You expect me to reply to all your nonsense now?

You can think whatever you want. Everybody can think whatever, thats your right. But you can not do whatever just because you feel like it. Thats NOT your right.

What you do in Cyprus is illegal and criminal and what you think about it (if you like it, if you find it necessary, other excuses etc) is irrelevant.

[zan]

To Noaxetogrind:

"pre-history"? I don't think I ever talked about pre-history in this forum. Or you define "pre-history" in the following way: "The time that Turks made a brake from committing crimes against GCs, only to continue a few years later". Thats your definition? Explain please.

If you can not recall where I refer to the violations against TCs by GCs and against GCs by TCs during the intercommunal conflict then I am afraid you missed a lot of my posts. But I don't blame you since I have a lot

Not only I talked about those crimes but I also condemn all the crimes committed against innocent TCs from our side. Unfortunately no TC so far has condemned the crimes against us. On the contrary they celebrate them and they insist on committing them as we speak.

A good example is that the leaders of the coup in both Greece and Cyprus were jailed. On the contrary Ecevit, that is responsible for the deaths of 6000 and the the ethnic cleansing of 200.000 Greek Cypriots, was recently buried as a hero.

Yeh as a leader of a Country. You guys like to give medals to your terrorists while they salute a Greek flag. You cannot even honour the GCs they killed by calling these people as they are because you hate the Turks more. I think you are treading on thin ice here pal.

[zan]

Piatis, I have made it easier for you and posted my comments again but this time I have highlighted the only two sentences your mind is capable of seeing.

and? You expect me to reply to all your nonsense now?

You can think whatever you want. Everybody can think whatever, thats your right. But you can not do whatever just because you feel like it. Thats NOT your right.

What you do in Cyprus is illegal and criminal and what you think about it (if you like it, if you find it necessary, other excuses etc) is irrelevant.

Oh! Come back. I was only joking. Have you already deleted the comprehensive post you were going to make? I hope not as I was looking forward to reading it.

[zan]

Just in case you have lost your thread.........

Mehmet, I have no problem with your line of thinking and it can be deemed as honourable to Cyprus but it is not for the Turkish Cypriot people. We all want to see peace but we have had peace for 32 years. It has been a war of words and of sabotage ever since. I have to slightly disagree with VP on one point here and that is the demonising of every GC. Although their government has done all it can to turn them against us I don’t think they have achieved there goal. I can understand why VP can feel the way he does because he lives it every day. I too felt the same way when I visited Cyprus a while back. It is hard to see the lights of Greek houses twinkling over the boarder and not to imagine hoards of angry GCs pouring over the boarder with gun in hand and killing everyone in sight. It is a chilling feeling but I managed to shake it off. It must feel the same way for the GCs that look in the other direction and see the lighted flag on the mountainside.

This is not a “war” against those people and if all things were equal and we could get rid of the past along with the politicians we could see that dream come true. A dream is all that it is I am afraid because the past is still hovering very close by and it still has influence on our lives today. These influences are not just in the way we think but also in our daily lives. I can think of home and know that the TRNC is that place. With what the RoC demands that home for me is no longer there. For the resident TCs, as in VPs case, it must feel even worse because they are being asked to give up the ground from under their feet. These lands are not the spoils of war as Kifeas and Piratis would like every one to believe but the land of necessity. This necessity grew from history. A history in which the GC aggressors forced us into. We can not turn back that time any more than we can erase all the wrongs that were done against us. OK you say so let us move on. Move on to what? We have been living under siege for 32 years. We have not been allowed to progress as people or as a state in which we can pursue wealth. The GCs are 5 times more affluent than we are and house prices and the GDP show that. The EU makes certain, on most counts, that any applicants for membership are, in relative terms, capable of providing for its’ infrastructure and its’ people. Those that are not yet up to scratch are given money in order for them to catch up and compete on a level playing ground. Even the smallest of countries have the right to a veto and for support of many kinds. What we are being asked to do is give up our state and join with no cushion or cover. We can legally freeze in the night air as any other Cypriot has the right to do. We are not offered any rights in the way that the EU offers. How will a TC buy a house with the potential earning that he will be more likely to get. Is it all right for an entire community to step straight into the lower class status. Will we see entire villages of TCs living in rented property with the worst of schools and services. Is it alright that these houses and flats are most likely to be owned by GCs. Why would we want that for our own people.

[Piratis]

We don't give any medals to any terrorists. It is true that most of those that committed crimes during the intercommunal conflict were not punished, but this is the case for both sides. At least in our case the leaders were punished, while in Turkey those criminals were never touched.

[zan]

We don't give any medals to any terrorists. It is true that most of those that committed crimes during the intercommunal conflict were not punished, but this is the case for both sides. At least in our case the leaders were punished, while in Turkey those criminals were never touched.

You can get your medal here

http://cgi.ebay.com/GREECE-CYPRUS-SILVE ... dZViewItem

[EUropean666]

You are invading when you are attacking a land that has nothing to do with your nation or people. So how come Greece invaded Crete? can you explain this?

Greece invaded and ethnically cleansed the enitre moslem population on the island. Not a single Cretan Turk was left after the brutal greek invasion.

From wikipedia

A new Cretan insurrection in 1897 led the Ottoman Empire declaring war on Greece. However, the Great Powers (Britain, France, Italy and Russia) decided that Turkey could no longer maintain control and intervened. Turkish forces were expelled in 1898, and an independent Cretan Republic, headed by Prince George of Greece, was founded. Taking advantage of domestic turmoil in Turkey in 1908, the Cretan deputies declared union with Greece.

Now tell me, who "invaded" Crete? Muslim Cretans changed religion in 1913, they had this choice, those who were from egypt or turks had to leave the island. Cretans never heard any venezian even though they were occupied from Venice. Does it mean something? Yes that they did not ahve any prob living with Italians but they had with the muslims, probably bcoz somemuslims followed a dhimmi policy against cretans

[Viewpoint]

My only words of advise to you while you seek to reconcile your differences with other posters is be ware of wolves in sheeps clothing or Greeks bearing gifts.....

Sure, thats why you are ready to shout and kill innocent people for just wanting justice, legality and to return to their homes that you have ethnically cleansed them from. Because they are "wolves in sheeps clothing"....

Viewpoint, you and the other gray wolves like you can continue with your racist remarks for as long as you want. In the end you will lose.

You are the one advocating war not me, the swing you wait for if you decide to create a war will bring you disaster and strife, not only will TCs be at risk but you will put the lives of many GCs at risk as well. As I have said many times if you play with a bomb then expect it to explode in your face. Obviously you didn't learn anything from 1974? Then after you have caused mayhem do not make lame excuses "but I didn't think it would explode", "Im not the bad guy" "you and the world made me play with the bomb" " its never my fault"

Where have i made racists remarks?