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[mehmet]

Hello again Viewpoint,

Thanks to Kifeas for telling me you are female, I just made a bad assumption I guess, not that it matters. I am also a lot older than 15, I may even be old enough to be your father, so lets correct some assumptions there also.

I will address your points one by one;

1) I hope you don't mean to offend me by talking about labourers and cleaners, we can't all be lawyers and teachers and I hope if you have relatives that are employed in manual work you don't hold it against them. I don't like to be personal but you don't know who you are talking to when you make such comments.

2) Like you I was disappointed with the Annan Plan referendum in the south. So what to do? head back into the arms of Denktas senior. For the sake of our island we have to persevere in the face of adversity and make common ground. If you always do what you always did, you will always get what you already had.

3) 63% of the island for 80% of the people if magnanimous for you. I only hope if we had 8% for our 20% you would be as satisfied. For the sake of people in my extended family who are 6 ft under you don't need to remind me of the cost of war.

4) I'm not in competition with you with regard to knowledge to GC politics, perhaps you know it better than I although I do my best to follow events. But I do know about minorities in the UK, yes we struggle for our families but there are worse places to be than in UK if you're a minority.

I don't like chips that much do you? When I next come to Cyprus I will get you some if you like?

Anyway lets not squabble like children but have a mature debate with all participants on this forum.

[Viewpoint]

mehmet

Thanks to Kifeas for telling me you are female, I just made a bad assumption I guess, not that it matters.

This is just another one of Kifeas misleading statements, I am male and he thinks that labelling of the opposite sex is an insult well it is not, this show his own ignorance and arrogance, so beware you should question everything he tells you, he is no more than a war monger ask other posters about the degrading comments he hurls at anyone with a view opposite to his and the war chants he has posted on this forum. He regularly visits the gym and takes shooting lessons to be prepared to kill us late one night when we are at our weakest, what a chump.

I am also a lot older than 15, I may even be old enough to be your father, so lets correct some assumptions there also.

Then will all respects you should try and reflect this in your posts.

1) I hope you don't mean to offend me by talking about labourers and cleaners, we can't all be lawyers and teachers and I hope if you have relatives that are employed in manual work you don't hold it against them. I don't like to be personal but you don't know who you are talking to when you make such comments.

Those are the jobs we currently perform in the "RoC" and would continue to perform if the Maraş area was returned, that's all we are fit for according to GCs in their GC state, equals my foot.

2) Like you I was disappointed with the Annan Plan referendum in the south. So what to do? head back into the arms of Denktas senior. For the sake of our island we have to persevere in the face of adversity and make common ground. If you always do what you always did, you will always get what you already had.

We have no common ground how many times do you need to bang your head against a brick wall before you realize you will get brain damage. ıts obviously we will never resolve our problems if we could we would have done this many years ago.

3) 63% of the island for 80% of the people if magnanimous for you. I only hope if we had 8% for our 20% you would be as satisfied. For the sake of people in my extended family who are 6 ft under you don't need to remind me of the cost of war.

The offer is there if they accept 8% return all well and good if they don't then tough, we stay at 37% and they can stay in 63% of the island. And where in the word does it say that a nation is purely based on the premise of the population count, this is crap peddled by GCs to get what they want the whole island, don't be so obliging to fall for such crap.

You would all have been 6ft under if the GCs would have had there way and then they would not have to share anything with us.

4) I'm not in competition with you with regard to knowledge to GC politics, perhaps you know it better than I although I do my best to follow events. But I do know about minorities in the UK, yes we struggle for our families but there are worse places to be than in UK if you're a minority.

Then try harder as you make comments without understanding the dangers involved with throwing your community down a black hole left to the mercy of GCs. If you do not know what you are talking about then its best not to talk. Have you every lived in Cyprus? and experienced first hand the underhand hidden agenda politics of a people who only aim is the take full control of the island and demote us to just another minority in a GC state run by GCs.

I don't like chips that much do you? When I next come to Cyprus I will get you some if you like?

From your above comment I understand you had problems grasping the meaning? your only exposure to GCs appears to that of your local fish and chip man.

Anyway lets not squabble like children but have a mature debate with all participants on this forum.

This really depends on your mentality, viewpoint and attitude.

[mehmet]

Viewpoint,

Accept my apologies regarding the gender issue. As I said it doesn't matter.

At the end of the day you have more say in this situation than I do because of where you live. If you think you'll be better off pursuing the agenda you have that's your opinion and in a democracy you can make your choices.

I will for my own part continue to advocate reconciliation and participate to try and understand the issues better.

[Kifeas]

Viewpoint,

Accept my apologies regarding the gender issue. As I said it doesn't matter.

At the end of the day you have more say in this situation than I do because of where you live. If you think you'll be better off pursuing the agenda you have that's your opinion and in a democracy you can make your choices.

I will for my own part continue to advocate reconciliation and participate to try and understand the issues better.

Mehmet, didn't I tell you not to waste your time with a pro-Denktash and pro-partition individual like Viewpoint? I think I did! Nevertheless, you are one of the few TCs in the forum to tell her off, and I congratulate and thank you for that.

[Piratis]

Anyway lets not squabble like children but have a mature debate with all participants on this forum.

Mehmet, the aim of some participants like Viewpoint is not mature debate.

Their aim is only:

1) Spread the Turkish propaganda with excuses about the illegalities they enforce in Cyprus.

2) Spread hate between GCs and TCs since this is what suits their interests best. The more the hate between the two communities the easier partition can be excused the better for the partitionists. This is why Viewpoint and some others are so provocative.

The Cyprus problem will be solved not when people like Viewpoint change their mind (this will never happen), but when these people will no longer have the power to enforce the illegalities and crimes.

[Viewpoint]

Viewpoint,

Accept my apologies regarding the gender issue. As I said it doesn't matter.

At the end of the day you have more say in this situation than I do because of where you live. If you think you'll be better off pursuing the agenda you have that's your opinion and in a democracy you can make your choices.

I will for my own part continue to advocate reconciliation and participate to try and understand the issues better.

Thank you Mehmet, for allowing me the right to pursue what I believe is best for my people.

You to in time will come to appreciate and understand why I have adopted this attitude.


My only words of advise to you while you seek to reconcile your differences with other posters is be ware of wolves in sheeps clothing or Greeks bearing gifts.....

[Piratis]

My only words of advise to you while you seek to reconcile your differences with other posters is be ware of wolves in sheeps clothing or Greeks bearing gifts.....

Sure, thats why you are ready to shout and kill innocent people for just wanting justice, legality and to return to their homes that you have ethnically cleansed them from. Because they are "wolves in sheeps clothing"....

Viewpoint, you and the other gray wolves like you can continue with your racist remarks for as long as you want. In the end you will lose.

[zan]

Viewpoint,

Accept my apologies regarding the gender issue. As I said it doesn't matter.

At the end of the day you have more say in this situation than I do because of where you live. If you think you'll be better off pursuing the agenda you have that's your opinion and in a democracy you can make your choices.

I will for my own part continue to advocate reconciliation and participate to try and understand the issues better.

Mehmet, didn't I tell you not to waste your time with a pro-Denktash and pro-partition individual like Viewpoint? I think I did! Nevertheless, you are one of the few TCs in the forum to tell her off, and I congratulate and thank you for that.

Kifeas, you are like a little monster sitting on the shoulder of Mehmet whispering in his ear. It is quite funny really to see you trying to recruit hate from within.




Mehmet, I have no problem with your line of thinking and it can be deemed as honourable to Cyprus but it is not for the Turkish Cypriot people. We all want to see peace but we have had peace for 32 years. It has been a war of words and of sabotage ever since. I have to slightly disagree with VP on one point here and that is the demonising of every GC. Although their government has done all it can to turn them against us I don’t think they have achieved there goal. I can understand why VP can feel the way he does because he lives it every day. I too felt the same way when I visited Cyprus a while back. It is hard to see the lights of Greek houses twinkling over the boarder and not to imagine hoards of angry GCs pouring over the boarder with gun in hand and killing everyone in sight. It is a chilling feeling but I managed to shake it off. It must feel the same way for the GCs that look in the other direction and see the lighted flag on the mountainside.

This is not a “war” against those people and if all things were equal and we could get rid of the past along with the politicians we could see that dream come true. A dream is all that it is I am afraid because the past is still hovering very close by and it still has influence on our lives today. These influences are not just in the way we think but also in our daily lives. I can think of home and know that the TRNC is that place. With what the RoC demands that home for me is no longer there. For the resident TCs, as in VPs case, it must feel even worse because they are being asked to give up the ground from under their feet. These lands are not the spoils of war as Kifeas and Piratis would like every one to believe but the land of necessity. This necessity grew from history. A history in which the GC aggressors forced us into. We can not turn back that time any more than we can erase all the wrongs that were done against us. OK you say so let us move on. Move on to what? We have been living under siege for 32 years. We have not been allowed to progress as people or as a state in which we can pursue wealth. The GCs are 5 times more affluent than we are and house prices and the GDP show that. The EU makes certain, on most counts, that any applicants for membership are, in relative terms, capable of providing for its’ infrastructure and its’ people. Those that are not yet up to scratch are given money in order for them to catch up and compete on a level playing ground. Even the smallest of countries have the right to a veto and for support of many kinds. What we are being asked to do is give up our state and join with no cushion or cover. We can legally freeze in the night air as any other Cypriot has the right to do. We are not offered any rights in the way that the EU offers. How will a TC buy a house with the potential earning that he will be more likely to get. Is it all right for an entire community to step straight into the lower class status. Will we see entire villages of TCs living in rented property with the worst of schools and services. Is it alright that these houses and flats are most likely to be owned by GCs. Why would we want that for our own people.

[Piratis]

A history in which the GC aggressors forced us into

In the 99% of our history the turks were the aggressors, something that continues until today. Yet more excuses from you to continue doing against us what you were doing the rest 99% of the time.

However remember that you are giving to us no peaceful alternative of taking back the land that we have lived for 3500 years.

Our land will be liberated from the foreign occupation either you like it or not.

Although their government has done all it can to turn them against us

RoC's government has not done anything to turn GCs against TCs. Why would it do such thing? On the contrary we learned to respect TCs (thats until some of them tell us that they support the violation of our human rights, like you for example). What we do not respect is the Turkish troops and the illegalities.

On the other hand, spreading hate between the two communities is one of the main practices of the practitionists since such hate perfectly fits their aim. This is why TCs learn to hate GCs from a very young age.

[Noaxetogrind]

Pirates please forgive me for not mastering how to get previous quotes into the dotted squares but at least I am able to copy your comment as follows:

'Nobody is plotting against TCs because they are Muslims. If anybody doesn't like TCs it is because they (the majority), along with Turkey, insist on illegalities and the violations of our human rights. '

I have read a lot of your comments but cannot recall one where you refer to the violations against the Turkish Cypriots from 1963 until they ceased with the invasion by Turkey.

Surprise me, be a man and accept it without nearly referring back to pre-history.