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[mehmet]

Piratis wrote...

''I believe that the return of Famagusta along with the ability of TCs to trade from its port is one such step. What do you think?''

I presume you mean the return of Varosha rather than the walled city. If so I agree, from a Turkish Cypriot perspective it would be so little to give away given that it is unoccupied, I can't see the sense of letting a whole suburb rot away. I'm not sure how much of a gain it is to trade from the port but as I've said it is very little to give and the positive publicity it could generate would help the cause of finding a solution.

[Viewpoint]

VP when did you support unification? In some nightmare of yours?

Up to the referendum but even then I left the door slightly ajar to allow GCs on this forum to prove me wrong, this clearly did not happen and people like Piratis and Kifeas and even your good self have successfully closed that door.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis wrote...

''I believe that the return of Famagusta along with the ability of TCs to trade from its port is one such step. What do you think?''

I presume you mean the return of Varosha rather than the walled city. If so I agree, from a Turkish Cypriot perspective it would be so little to give away given that it is unoccupied, I can't see the sense of letting a whole suburb rot away. I'm not sure how much of a gain it is to trade from the port but as I've said it is very little to give and the positive publicity it could generate would help the cause of finding a solution.

Man hello earth calling Mehmet from Hastings you have just agreed to give away one of your trump cards which is land. All you will get in return is jointly running Famagusta port which we already operate. This deal should include Ercan airport and no restrictions on Cultural and Sports events, otherwise no deal it can rot for another 100 years until GC see sense that we are equals and deserve to be treated as such.

[mehmet]

Hello Viewpoint,

I am very much on earth but giving away land which is being left to rot for the last 32 years and which used to accommodate thousands of people, and which also offered employment opportunities for many Turkish Cypriots is hardly a trump card. You can keep trading and setting the terms forever, maybe for you Ercan airport and cultural and sports events is fair trade, maybe for others you are a traitor who is too soft on the 'enemy'. There is a saying that in victory you should be magnanimous towards the defeated and you can't argue that the Turkey got more than was necessary in 1974. Come on now Viewpoint, what price do you put on making a gesture that shows the world we can be reasonable. We would gain so much politically for being generous if it was done in a spirit of compormise and compassion towards the inhabitants of Varosha rather than extracted like a rotten tooth from us, with us screaming in pain about it.

[Viewpoint]

mehmet

I am very much on earth but giving away land which is being left to rot for the last 32 years and which used to accommodate thousands of people,

That's a trump card exactly for that reason, thousands that want to return if they want it so much they should apply pressure on their GC leadership to compromise otherwise it can rot for many more years until they come to their senses, if not then no go, the choice is theirs.

which also offered employment opportunities for many Turkish Cypriots is hardly a trump card.

As labourers and cleaners, no thanks... the likelihood of TCs getting a look in will be minimal we cannot even organise to have an Olympic flame travel from south to the north let alone work together to rebuild a city.

You can keep trading and setting the terms forever, maybe for you Ercan airport and cultural and sports events is fair trade, maybe for others you are a traitor who is too soft on the 'enemy'.

The choice is theirs otherwise they can pursue their own goals as we will ours. The last attempt was rejected by them not us and the world has seen them for what they really are, traitors and back stabbers, the fact that we beat them at their own game is something you should be proud of.

There is a saying that in victory you should be magnanimous towards the defeated and you can't argue that the Turkey got more than was necessary in 1974.

Allowing them to live in 63% of the island and prosper without hindrance sounds pretty magnanimous to me, just consider where you would have been if they got their way, 6 ft under and well forgotten, man you are so naive.

Come on now Viewpoint, what price do you put on making a gesture that shows the world we can be reasonable.

We did that with the Annan plan an internationally brokered deal which we said yes to and they rejected, now they can go cry to the rest of the world and try and talk their way out of why they said no.

We would gain so much politically for being generous if it was done in a spirit of compormise and compassion towards the inhabitants of Varosha rather than extracted like a rotten tooth from us, with us screaming in pain about it.

That bad tooth for you is a jewel for me as it something they are dieing to get back over 40.000 people could return tomorrow only if they see sense and decide to accept that we TC should no longer be restricted on certain matters.

How old are you mehmet? you come across as a 15yo with minimal exposure to GC politics and history, you really need to come live here on the island to have first hand experience of what GCs think and say. You live in the UK where you see Yorgo who runs the local chippie and gives you free chips, every step that we Tcs contemplate taking when dealing with GCs should be analyzed and not taken lightly as they do not have your best interests at heart and will not have any problems reducing your communities rights to that of the Pakistanis in the UK, a discriminated minority in your own country which would a GC state run by GCs, is that what you want?

[Kifeas]

Hello Viewpoint,

I am very much on earth but giving away land which is being left to rot for the last 32 years and which used to accommodate thousands of people, and which also offered employment opportunities for many Turkish Cypriots is hardly a trump card. You can keep trading and setting the terms forever, maybe for you Ercan airport and cultural and sports events is fair trade, maybe for others you are a traitor who is too soft on the 'enemy'. There is a saying that in victory you should be magnanimous towards the defeated and you can't argue that the Turkey got more than was necessary in 1974. Come on now Viewpoint, what price do you put on making a gesture that shows the world we can be reasonable. We would gain so much politically for being generous if it was done in a spirit of compormise and compassion towards the inhabitants of Varosha rather than extracted like a rotten tooth from us, with us screaming in pain about it.

Mehmet, forget viewpoint and do not waste your time arguing with her, she is just a plain scum! I know her in the forums for more than a year already! You get dirty even by talking to her, set aside touching her! She is just a refined grey wolf!

[Viewpoint]

Hello Viewpoint,

I am very much on earth but giving away land which is being left to rot for the last 32 years and which used to accommodate thousands of people, and which also offered employment opportunities for many Turkish Cypriots is hardly a trump card. You can keep trading and setting the terms forever, maybe for you Ercan airport and cultural and sports events is fair trade, maybe for others you are a traitor who is too soft on the 'enemy'. There is a saying that in victory you should be magnanimous towards the defeated and you can't argue that the Turkey got more than was necessary in 1974. Come on now Viewpoint, what price do you put on making a gesture that shows the world we can be reasonable. We would gain so much politically for being generous if it was done in a spirit of compormise and compassion towards the inhabitants of Varosha rather than extracted like a rotten tooth from us, with us screaming in pain about it.

Mehmet, forget viewpoint and do not waste your time arguing with her, she is just a plain scum! I know her in the forums for more than a year already! You get dirty even by talking to her, set aside touching her! She is just a refined grey wolf!

Same old Kifeas somethings never change, if you have no sound arguements attack the person, you old war monger you tut tut tut...

[Piratis]

Viewpoint, you illegally occupy 1/3rd of RoC and you enforce this illegal occupation with 40.000 foreign troops and then you call others "war mongers"?

You are the ones who maintain this war by refusing to remove the foreign troops from the independent and sovereign Republic of Cyprus.

[Piratis]

VP when did you support unification? In some nightmare of yours?

Up to the referendum but even then I left the door slightly ajar to allow GCs on this forum to prove me wrong, this clearly did not happen and people like Piratis and Kifeas and even your good self have successfully closed that door.

So you voted for a partition plan. When was it that you supported unification?

Here is what Turkey's best journalist said about the Annan partition plan. No wonder you voted yes for it.

Mehmet Ali Birand

Before the vote on the Annan plan, I personally believed the Turkish Cypriots were faced with a historic opportunity and did everything I could to ensure that the plan was a success. I believed that, with the plan, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC) would be able to stand on its own two feet. The KKTC would enter the European Union with Greek Cyprus and consequently, the Cyprus issue would no longer be an obstacle to Turkey's EU aspirations. I am still of the same opinion.

[Viewpoint]

VP when did you support unification? In some nightmare of yours?

Up to the referendum but even then I left the door slightly ajar to allow GCs on this forum to prove me wrong, this clearly did not happen and people like Piratis and Kifeas and even your good self have successfully closed that door.

So you voted for a partition plan. When was it that you supported unification?

Here is what Turkey's best journalist said about the Annan partition plan. No wonder you voted yes for it.

Mehmet Ali Birand

Before the vote on the Annan plan, I personally believed the Turkish Cypriots were faced with a historic opportunity and did everything I could to ensure that the plan was a success. I believed that, with the plan, the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus (KKTC) would be able to stand on its own two feet. The KKTC would enter the European Union with Greek Cyprus and consequently, the Cyprus issue would no longer be an obstacle to Turkey's EU aspirations. I am still of the same opinion.

Then what does that say to you Piratis TCs will only unite with you under a Annan plan type solution, which you rejected and the majority of the world endorsed.