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[Piratis]

Hate is generated by your desire to destroy and eradicate the Turkish Cypriot State, just like the Nazis in World War II

Just like the Nazis in world war II, you have invaded an independent sovereign nation and installed a puppet administration on it against the will of the great majority of the population. Anybody that did not agree with you (and the Nazis - same thing) either was killed, had to leave from his homeland to escapee, or if he wanted to stay he had to shut his mouth and accept everything that the illegitimate regime decided. This is EXACTLY what the Nazis did.

In fact in the case of Czechoslovakia the Nazis even used the exact same excuse as the Turks: To supposedly protect the German minority there.

So are you seriously comparing Cyprus of half million people with Nazi Germany, instead of the obvious: to compare it with the Army ruled Turkey with on of the most powerful armies in the world that is invading and performing atrocities against her neighboring sovereign nations?

It is obvious who the Nazis are in this case Bg_Turk. YOU.

[Piratis]

Put simply, what I am saying is that people can be threatened by the security forces of a state as much as they can by an individual fanatic. Any solution has to have some safeguards that they will not be discriminated against (legally or by the police) on the basis of their first language. This is old ground that the 1960 constitution tried to address, unsuccessfully as events proved.

Mehmet Cyprus should be demilitarized and there will be both TCs and GCs in the police.

If what you are saying is that somebody is going to violate the agreements and act illegally, then whats the point of having any agreement since any agreement can theoretically be violated? This goes for both sides.

[bg_turk]

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It is obvious who the Nazis are in this case Bg_Turk. YOU.

I stand by the right of the Turkish Cypriot State to exist, whereas you on the other hand, just like Ahmedinejad in the case of Jewish State, are seeking its destruction. The true Nazi in this case, Piratis, is YOU!

[Piratis]

I stand by the right of the Turkish Cypriot State to exist,

And who gave you such "right"? Your Nazi principles that say that you can invade and occupy any country you want and it is then yours?

What you do is called crime, not right.

I am defending my country from the illegal foreign occupation. The Nazis are those who insist on illegal occupation, not those that defend their countries from the expansionist fascists of Turkey.

[zan]

I stand by the right of the Turkish Cypriot State to exist,

And who gave you such "right"? Your Nazi principles that say that you can invade and occupy any country you want and it is then yours?

What you do is called crime, not right.

I am defending my country from the illegal foreign occupation. The Nazis are those who insist on illegal occupation, not those that defend their countries from the expansionist fascists of Turkey.

One miute you want equal rights to be on the agenda and then when I a Turkish Cypriot and lawful part of Cyprus have a guest over for a while you want to kick him out because you don't like him. If you want equality then so do I and equal share of the house means I can have who ever I like to visit even if it means that I have to sit in my own bedroom room with my guest. Stop acting like a Nazi and trying to get rid of my friends.

[bg_turk]

And who gave you such "right"? Your Nazi principles that say that you can invade and occupy any country you want and it is then yours?

Before the foundation of the Turkish Cypriot state, the Turkish Cypriot community was threatened with destruction, and the fascist pig Samson boasted about his intentions to commit a holocaust against the muslims on the island. The Turkish Cypriot State was established as a home for all those moslem Cypriots, so that they can live in security and dignity in their own homeland.

I am defending my country from the illegal foreign occupation. The Nazis are those who insist on illegal occupation, not those that defend their countries from the expansionist fascists of Turkey.

You are defending the destruction of the Turkish Cypriot state, just as Ahmadinejad is defending the destruction of the Israeli state, and you are doing this because you want to subjugate the Turkish Cypriots in pursuit of your Nazi ideal to turn Cyprus into a Hellenic island.

[mehmet]

''Mehmet Cyprus should be demilitarized and there will be both TCs and GCs in the police.

If what you are saying is that somebody is going to violate the agreements and act illegally, then whats the point of having any agreement since any agreement can theoretically be violated? This goes for both sides.''[quote]

I think we both want the same unitary state but differ in how soon we can achieve this. Demilitarized Cyprus is good. Both TC/ GC's in the police in a unitary state would be essential. It's just a question of what the [/i]next step will be that we've never been able to agree on.

[Piratis]

zan, and Bg_Turk, if for you the occupation of our country is a joke, then I hope you will find the consequences equally funny.

I think we both want the same unitary state but differ in how soon we can achieve this. Demilitarized Cyprus is good. Both TC/ GC's in the police in a unitary state would be essential. It's just a question of what the [/i]next step will be that we've never been able to agree on.

Mehmet, I don't disagree with you. As I said many times the important thing is to agree on where we want to go. If we agree for that, then the how we will go there will not be dificult.

The problem with people like zan, Viewpoint etc is that what they have as an aim is in essence partition, were TCs and TCs are kept mostly separate, running their business separately, with a part of Cyprus being Turkish. For them even things like Annan plan (which was 90% partition anyways) are just stepping stones for complete partition (search for "Montenegro" and "Czechoslovakia" "models" and you will see what I mean).

I agree with you that things can not change overnight and that we should therefore take things step by step. The solution is not something that will be implemented immediately, but gradually. However we should make sure that both sides will gradually regain their rights, land at the same rate. Not that one side will get immidietly everything, and then will not be willing to move to the next step.

I believe that the return of Famagusta along with the ability of TCs to trade from its port is one such step. What do you think?

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

The problem with people like zan, Viewpoint etc is that what they have as an aim is in essence partition, were TCs and TCs are kept mostly separate, running their business separately, with a part of Cyprus being Turkish. For them even things like Annan plan (which was 90% partition anyways) are just stepping stones for complete partition (search for "Montenegro" and "Czechoslovakia" "models" and you will see what I mean

Over the past week and after having many discussions with you Piratis I have finally arrived at a decision to further harden my viewpoint and not even consider or allow myself to be persuaded about reunification, you are totally right people like me should once and for all make up their minds and stand strong in promoting that we should never reunite and the dangers involved until we can force recognition as our only option. This is what all TCs should work for thank you for making me see the light. We are very fortunate that people like you will aid us towards this goal. Thank you again.

[Sotos]

VP when did you support unification? In some nightmare of yours?