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[Strahd]

Zan,

As it seems you know better than kifeas, could you enlighten us with the facts and denounce all the above? Do you have a single source outside turkish that can prove what kifeas described as wrong? Stop hiding behind your finger... At lease when we say your genocide claims are lies we prove it with numbers and historical facts by independent sources.

[Attorney]

I know better than you who Ecevit was...

I do prefer for now that the situation remains as it is like Ecevit did. Who cares what the TC or GC leaders say? It all depends on what the Turkish Army will say.

Needless to say, much has changed since the referandum. TC community will not approve any other (or even the same) plan like they did thanks to your communities' policy towards the TC's in the last 30 months.

So do not be so sure that it is only Ecevit's or Turkey's viewpoint to leave the situation as it is.

It goes without saying that you are just another one Turkish nationalist whose only source of pride is the mighty of your army. You are just another one of those twisted neo-ottoman, pan-Turkists that have absolutely no regard for other people’s rights and international legality, and who believe that "might is right." It is absolutelly pointless having any kind of dialogue with crypto-fascist mentalities like yours. The only thing we as a GCypriots can promise you, is that we will constantly upgrade and maintain ourselves ready so that one day we may seize the opportunity to send your source of pride back to where it came from, and people like you behind them. In the meantime, we will do our best to maintain the diplomatic war against your country (and I mean Turkey,) with the first objective been to lock her out of the EU, and the second one to have her kicked out of the CoE for violating the human rights of the people of Cyprus and defying the ECtHR decisions. This is all we can promise you for the time being!

I like to tell you that I am Turkish Cypriot from Paphos and have no friendship, connection or whatsoever with anybody who are pan-Turkist or Turkish nationalist let alone being one of them. But you can keep fooling yourself that TC are still thinking favourably about a unification with people who want to pee or shit on the grave of their savior. (and especially after meeting guys like you in the last 30 months.)

But let me tell you one thing. Just like the fact that there are (at least) two nations on this island, there is one mighty Turkish army which would decide on the future of these two communities whether (we) like it or not...

So keep upgrading whatever you like to upgrade may be you can tickle the toe of the Turkish army...

In regard to your diplomatic war against the Turkey, do you think that you are harming Turkey in any way? Any EU member country will veto Turkey at some point anyway. You just do not realize that they are using you for that reason and keeping better relt.s with Turkey themselves.

BTW just in case you did not realize, unfortunately, ECtHR decisions are binding only on those countries which cannot afford to stand against them. Check what Turkey paid in the last 10 years in return for all the cases against it. You will see what I mean.


This is also evidenced recently by the incident in F1 race. Do you think Turkish officials did not have a clue that they would be fined with Talat handing the trophy. They just did what they wanted to do and paid for it. May be next year Soyer hands the trophy. Who knows...

[andri_cy]

Did they actually end up paying the 5mil fine?

[Attorney]

YES

[Kifeas]

I like to tell you that I am Turkish Cypriot from Paphos and have no friendship, connection or whatsoever with anybody who are pan-Turkist or Turkish nationalist let alone being one of them.

You are one, but you just do not realise it! Only a fascist-nationalist can brag about and keep using the “mighty” of the Turkish Army as an argument, or a basis on which to support or promote political objectives.

But you can keep fooling yourself that TC are still thinking favourably about a unification with people who want to pee or shit on the grave of their savior. (and especially after meeting guys like you in the last 30 months.)

Attorney, you have never been pro-solution! Not a single day since 1974! If you were, you wouldn’t have been voting for Denktash all these years! The reason has nothing to do with your fears and insecurities to live with the GC community, neither because the GC community has been uncompromising all these years, nor because it had /has unreasonable or excessive demands! Quite the opposite was always true, at least for the last 32 years! You and we know precisely the reasons why the majority of you have never been and still are not pro-unification, and your support of the A-pan was only a smoke-screen! You are just not sincere enough to admit the real reasons behind them, because your cynical and opportunistic motives will be revealed and exposed, and instead you keep hiding behind cheap and lame excuses like the above.

As for Ecevit, your “savoir,” do not be so confident that he was indeed so, nevertheless you have never stopped “shitting” and “peeing” on Makarios grave all these years, and your “TRNC” and “ATCA” websites and forums are full evidence.

But let me tell you one thing. Just like the fact that there are (at least) two nations on this island, there is one mighty Turkish army which would decide on the future of these two communities whether (we) like it or not...

There is no such a fact that there are at least two nations on this island, but only your desire for such to have been the case! There is only one fact in international law, and this is that there is only one nation on this island. For us GCs, the RoC constitution, the UN, the EU and the CoE, there is only one nation in Cyprus, composed by 2+3 component communities. That’s all!

As for the “fact” of the existence of a “mighty” Turkish Army, which would decide on the future of these two communities (apparently now you rightfully figured out that you are indeed only a community, and not a separate nation,) until now it has only been able to be deciding about your community’s future alone, and not about our future! If this was the case, we wouldn’t have been able to have Cyprus enter into the EU, unless you want us to believe that this was also the wish of the “mighty” Turkish army. Nevertheless, thanks for admitting and proving that Papadopoulos is right not to want to bother too much with your community’s leadership and Talat, in his efforts to find a solution in Cyprus, since you are not the ones deciding about your future but only the Turkish army.

In regard to your diplomatic war against the Turkey, do you think that you are harming Turkey in any way? Any EU member country will veto Turkey at some point anyway.

If this was the case (actually it is not,) then Turkey should have never applied to become a member of the EU in the first place, since as you claim above, it is all in vain!

You just do not realize that they are using you for that reason and keeping better relt.s with Turkey themselves.

This is nonsense! It is the classic Aesop’s “sour grapes” proverb!

BTW just in case you did not realize, unfortunately, ECtHR decisions are binding only on those countries which cannot afford to stand against them. Check what Turkey paid in the last 10 years in return for all the cases against it. You will see what I mean.

That is why the next long-term objective of the RoC will be to have Turkey kicked out of the CoE, for not honouring and defying the ECtHR decisions and rulings.

This is also evidenced recently by the incident in F1 race. Do you think Turkish officials did not have a clue that they would be fined with Talat handing the trophy. They just did what they wanted to do and paid for it. May be next year Soyer hands the trophy. Who knows...

Thanks for confirming how audaciously disrespectful Turkey is for international legality, norms, principles and practices!

Keep supporting and promoting your “savoir” Ecevit’s and Denktash’s perverted nationalist ideas and aims, and you will see a good future! If I only had a fraction your cynicism, I would have said a big thank you to both of your above “heroes,” for helping us secure Cyprus EU accession before a solution, and without having to also accept the A-plan in advance in order to be able to do so, back in 2002. These were your “heroes!”

[Viewpoint]

What a cheek the man has the audacity to tell other people what they think, like he knows their mind better than them, bloody war monger.