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Postby Piratis » Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:53 pm

Was Wales, Scotland, Florida, Queensland etc etc all formed by the number of its inhabitants? No more bullshit negotiations 37% is it no land return forget it


Here is Viewpoint telling us once again that "borders are shaped by a series of wars". This for sure was the way during the middle ages and before, but after WWII things supposedly should have changed and countries were supposed to respect the sovereignty of others.

But of course the Turks are Turks, they are the last ones on this planet that would care about "unimportant" things such as legality, respecting the sovereignty of other nations, human rights etc. For them all it matters is what they can grab in war.

Therefore I repeat: It is a waste of time talking to people like Viewpoint. Here he clearly told us again that they will never give us back the land they stole unless we will manage to force them to do so.
Therefore lets stop the useless discussions and concentrate on ways that will make their illegal occupation as costly to them as possible, and sooner or later force them out and liberate our country. Viewpoint has clearly told us that this is the only way we will ever get our land back and liberate our country.


I LIKE THE WAY THINGS ARE, :arrow: move on,,


We know that you like crimes and illegalities. Anything new?
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:56 pm

Viewpoint wrote:
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andri_cy wrote:Those are states within countries, not republics or governments...


You are right, then all the countries in the world are their lands based on population count? hardly. We are willing to reduce to 29% thats it if you dont like it then tough, move on :arrow:


And we are willing to give you the 18% of Cyprus that equals your fair share, so that you can have your separate partitioned state, should this is what the majority of your community wants. Alternatively, a war in Cyprus, similar to the one that Turkey made against us and stole from us the 37% of our country, will inevitably take place in this country, any time in the future. This is not a threat, but a legitimate and a fair warning and a promise! Asshole!


You have got it wrong again it is not what you are willing to give us it is what we are willing to give you and what will be the benefits to the TCs. As for your war cries which is nothing new for a war monger like you, we have all read your previous posts, do your worst and finish off what you started 32 years ago but don't expect us to be sitting around waiting we will fight back with even more ferocity than in 1974, its obvious that people like you never learn and will have to be taught another lesson but don't come crying to us when you lose the whole island and innocent GCs die because of your actions.


We will come and get everything back the same way that Turkey did, when the time will be right and favourable! Soon, the 40,000 Turkish troops and the 400 tanks you keep in the occupied north will not be sufficient to make you feel safe, and you will have to double them!
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Nov 12, 2006 5:59 pm

Kifeas
We will come and get everything back the same way that Turkey did, when the time will be right and favourable! Soon, the 40,000 Turkish troops and the 400 tanks you keep in the occupied north will not be sufficient to make you feel safe, and you will have to double them!


We know what we have to do, thank you.
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Postby Piratis » Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:10 pm

Viewpoint wrote:Kifeas
We will come and get everything back the same way that Turkey did, when the time will be right and favourable! Soon, the 40,000 Turkish troops and the 400 tanks you keep in the occupied north will not be sufficient to make you feel safe, and you will have to double them!


We know what we have to do, thank you.


Here is history in the making. Like the Turks that oppressed the Cretans for centuries and insisted to occupy their land against the will of the great majority of the natives, thinking they are too powerful and they can do whatever they feel like.

Look what this arrogance brought to them in the end.

Viewpoint, when you insist on crimes and illegalities you should know that at some point you will pay the penalty. Keep on with your arrogant attitude and lets see were that will get you in the end.

If you are convinced that ethnic cleansing is the "solution" of the Cyprus problem, then don't be surprised if what you want for us will happen to you in the end. You will fall in the grave you are digging for us.

We have the right and justice on our side. You have no right in the illegalities you support. This will be the determining factor in the end, not your current power which can very easily be lost and you shouldn't count on it.
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Postby Viewpoint » Sun Nov 12, 2006 6:12 pm

Piratis
Here is Viewpoint telling us once again that "borders are shaped by a series of wars". This for sure was the way during the middle ages and before, but after WWII things supposedly should have changed and countries were supposed to respect the sovereignty of others.


Obviously you have not heard of the Bosnian war where thousands upon thousands died and borders were redefined....try to keep up Piratis you show ignorance in every post. The world is based on power just look at America, you can play with words and promote democracy and freedom for all but the bottom line is the man with the power will do what he wants anyway so until you get that swing you long for you can chirp away as much as you want.

But of course the Turks are Turks, they are the last ones on this planet that would care about "unimportant" things such as legality, respecting the sovereignty of other nations, human rights etc. For them all it matters is what they can grab in war.


If respecting the sovereignty of your step fathers home meant your mother was going to be raped and murdered what would you do? respect it? i think not somehow.


Therefore I repeat: It is a waste of time talking to people like Viewpoint. Here he clearly told us again that they will never give us back the land they stole unless we will manage to force them to do so.


You will only get your land back when you come to your senses and acknowledge that we to have rights in this country as equals and not just as another minority. Those safeguards which you find excessive will have to be agreed before we can even consider reuniting. Otherwise do what you have to.

Therefore lets stop the useless discussions and concentrate on ways that will make their illegal occupation as costly to them as possible, and sooner or later force them out and liberate our country. Viewpoint has clearly told us that this is the only way we will ever get our land back and liberate our country.


As I have always said your empty threats do not mean shit, do your worst but don't forget that innocents on both sides will pay the price of your actions. Play with a bomb and it will surely explode in your face.
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Postby Attorney » Sun Nov 12, 2006 7:39 pm

Kifeas wrote:
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Kifeas wrote:This is what scumbag Ecevit has said in a very recent interview, in relation to Cyprus.

TNA: How do you see the future of Cyprus issue?

ECEVIT: We shouldn't ever have a Cyprus problem, because the island has never been administered by Greeks in the history. So I don't see any problem today.

TNA: Do you mean the de facto situation is the solution for Cyprus?

ECEVIT: Yes and I believe it will never change.

From: http://www.thenewanatolian.com/tna-7211.html




And exactly what part of this do you not agree with?

Do you think it would be a better solution to have the two communities (whose members want "to shit" in the grave of the other one's leader) live together ?

Funny :)




For the record, Ecevit was not a TC leader.

Anyway, from the above I understand that you prefer the situation to remain as it is, likewise Ecevit does. I must remind you though that this policy is not the one the current leadership of your community under Talat claims to pursue, neither it seems to be the what the majority of the TC community pursues, judging from their approval to the Annan plan, and if we assume that the A-plan was indeed what they (TCs) claim it has been, i.e. a re-unification plan.

Therefore, your above argument is disproved and disqualified, not by me as a GC, but by the members and current leadership of your community; and your above implied suggestion should first be addressed to them, since you seem to accept and approve what Ecevit used to say.




I know better than you who Ecevit was... :)

I do prefer for now that the situation remains as it is like Ecevit did. Who cares what the TC or GC leaders say? It all depends on what the Turkish Army will say.

Needless to say, much has changed since the referandum. TC community will not approve any other (or even the same) plan like they did thanks to your communities' policy towards the TC's in the last 30 months.

So do not be so sure that it is only Ecevit's or Turkey's viewpoint to leave the situation as it is. :idea:
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Postby Kifeas » Sun Nov 12, 2006 8:02 pm

Attorney wrote:
I know better than you who Ecevit was... :)

I do prefer for now that the situation remains as it is like Ecevit did. Who cares what the TC or GC leaders say? It all depends on what the Turkish Army will say.

Needless to say, much has changed since the referandum. TC community will not approve any other (or even the same) plan like they did thanks to your communities' policy towards the TC's in the last 30 months.

So do not be so sure that it is only Ecevit's or Turkey's viewpoint to leave the situation as it is. :idea:


It goes without saying that you are just another one Turkish nationalist whose only source of pride is the mighty of your army. You are just another one of those twisted neo-ottoman, pan-Turkists that have absolutely no regard for other people’s rights and international legality, and who believe that "might is right." It is absolutelly pointless having any kind of dialogue with crypto-fascist mentalities like yours. The only thing we as a GCypriots can promise you, is that we will constantly upgrade and maintain ourselves ready so that one day we may seize the opportunity to send your source of pride back to where it came from, and people like you behind them. In the meantime, we will do our best to maintain the diplomatic war against your country (and I mean Turkey,) with the first objective been to lock her out of the EU, and the second one to have her kicked out of the CoE for violating the human rights of the people of Cyprus and defying the ECtHR decisions. This is all we can promise you for the time being!
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Postby turboturk » Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:48 am

[b]"[u]Cyprus is one, indivisible & belongs to its Cypriot people!"[u][/b]

Kifeas, isnt it funny you have the above quote as your signature.

Did you have the same thoughts when the TC's were kicked out, murdered and had to live in pockets of villages all over the island from 1963 to 1974 and being treated as second class people?

Or were you not born yet.?

Double standards, "we only moan when we are the victims"!
that is so normal for the south to do.

Move on :arrow:
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Postby Kifeas » Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:07 am

turboturk wrote:"[u]Cyprus is one, indivisible & belongs to its Cypriot people!"[u]

Kifeas, isnt it funny you have the above quote as your signature.

Did you have the same thoughts when the TC's were kicked out, murdered and had to live in pockets of villages all over the island from 1963 to 1974 and being treated as second class people?

Or were you not born yet.?

Double standards, "we only moan when we are the victims"!
that is so normal for the south to do.

Move on :arrow:


Turbo, what you have said above contains many fallacies.

The TCs were not kicked out (I assume you mean from the RoC.) The TC leadership first (and officially) withdrew from the RoC institutions (parliament and cabinet) and formed and declared from Bayrak radio its separate "transitional" TC State (within state,) as soon as intercommunal violence started in late December 1963. I suggest you first learn the facts!

As soon as intercommunal violence begun, which according to several reliable and nutral sources it (TMT) provoked, it acted upon a plan -which was later found in vice president Kutchuk's office, and called upon the TC MPs and TC ministers in the RoC cabinet to stop participating, since (according to them) the 1960 RoC was dead and no longer legally in existence, and that they together with the members of they TC communal council are now members of the TC "transitional" state's parliament and cabinet. Until that time, the only political initiative on the part of the GC leadership was to present for consideration and discussion the 13 point constitutional amendment proposal, both to Turkey and the TC leadership. Up until this date, and since 1964, the 1960 RoC constitution remains unchanged, and the positions of the TC Vice president and the TC MPs are officially maintained in place and vacant, pending a political agreement with the TC leadership.

It is a fact that as soon as intercommunal violence started in Nicosia - which I insist again the TMT provoked so that it would invite the violent reaction of the GC paramilitary teams and provide the excuse for the proclamation of the death of the RoC and the excuse for Turkey to invade militarily for the aim of partitioning Cyprus, the GCs had fallen into this "trap" and counter-attacked the TCs causing many deaths of TC Civilians, since the TMT was using them as a "shield" (fighting from within houses) in the Town suburbs. It is a fact that some GC extreme paramilitary teams (acting outside the official mandate) seized the opportunity and committed atrocities, but this unfortunate deplorable fact was not one sided. There were atrocities by similar TC extremists as well. The fact that because the GCs were by default more numerous and thus inflicted more damage and deaths against TCs, than the other way around, doesn't mean that the TCs were the innocent party, and the GCs were the only guilty one, as you would like to make it sound.

It is also a fact that in some areas in which violence was marked, TC civilians moved away and into safer areas, among bigger concentrations of TCs, thus creating the first so called enclave elements. However, expanding the enclaves into more areas and with larger TC concentrations became a standard policy of the TMT and the TC leadership, even after intercommunal violence had ended in early 1964, and it took a pre-planned massive exodus, even in areas in which there was no conflict and no attacks or deaths were marked. The aim was obviously to create a much more controlled environment for the TC masses and earn (generate) the necessary man-power to create a TC army, for what was planned to be a Turkish invasion and partition, a war in which the TC community would act as the internal bridgehead for the facilitation of the Turkish invading forces.

This policy on the part of the TMT and the TC leadership had continued even after 1968, when the GC side had removed all barriers around the enclaves so that the TC could move out and return back to their previous activities outside the enclaves, and simultaneously the two leaderships had begun a formal dialogue and negotiations for a reformed partnership agreement, so that the TC community dismantles it separate administration (state within state) and returns back into the RoC institutions. Perhaps you are not aware of it, (how could you, since no one from your side ever talks about it?) but even though many TCs had chosen to move out of the enclaves and started working or moving freely around Cyprus from 1968-1974, not a single one of them was killed, harmed or even touched by a GC. Not even during the coup in 1974, a single TC was harmed (in fact Denktash called the coup an internal issue among the GCs,) and any deaths of TCs occurred only after the Turkish invasion begun.
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Postby zan » Mon Nov 13, 2006 10:31 am

Kifeas wrote:
turboturk wrote:"[u]Cyprus is one, indivisible & belongs to its Cypriot people!"[u]

Kifeas, isnt it funny you have the above quote as your signature.

Did you have the same thoughts when the TC's were kicked out, murdered and had to live in pockets of villages all over the island from 1963 to 1974 and being treated as second class people?

Or were you not born yet.?

Double standards, "we only moan when we are the victims"!
that is so normal for the south to do.

Move on :arrow:


Turbo, what you have said above contains many fallacies.

The TCs were not kicked out (I assume you mean from the RoC.) The TC leadership first (and officially) withdrew from the RoC institutions (parliament and cabinet) and formed and declared from Bayrak radio its separate "transitional" TC State (within state,) as soon as intercommunal violence started in late December 1963. I suggest you first learn the facts!

As soon as intercommunal violence begun, which according to several reliable and nutral sources it (TMT) provoked, it acted upon a plan -which was later found in vice president Kutchuk's office, and called upon the TC MPs and TC ministers in the RoC cabinet to stop participating, since (according to them) the 1960 RoC was dead and no longer legally in existence, and that they together with the members of they TC communal council are now members of the TC "transitional" state's parliament and cabinet. Until that time, the only political initiative on the part of the GC leadership was to present for consideration and discussion the 13 point constitutional amendment proposal, both to Turkey and the TC leadership. Up until this date, and since 1964, the 1960 RoC constitution remains unchanged, and the positions of the TC Vice president and the TC MPs are officially maintained in place and vacant, pending a political agreement with the TC leadership.

It is a fact that as soon as intercommunal violence started in Nicosia - which I insist again the TMT provoked so that it would invite the violent reaction of the GC paramilitary teams and provide the excuse for the proclamation of the death of the RoC and the excuse for Turkey to invade militarily for the aim of partitioning Cyprus, the GCs had fallen into this "trap" and counter-attacked the TCs causing many deaths of TC Civilians, since the TMT was using them as a "shield" (fighting from within houses) in the Town suburbs. It is a fact that some GC extreme paramilitary teams (acting outside the official mandate) seized the opportunity and committed atrocities, but this unfortunate deplorable fact was not one sided. There were atrocities by similar TC extremists as well. The fact that because the GCs were by default more numerous and thus inflicted more damage and deaths against TCs, than the other way around, doesn't mean that the TCs were the innocent party, and the GCs were the only guilty one, as you would like to make it sound.

It is also a fact that in some areas in which violence was marked, TC civilians moved away and into safer areas, among bigger concentrations of TCs, thus creating the first so called enclave elements. However, expanding the enclaves into more areas and with larger TC concentrations became a standard policy of the TMT and the TC leadership, even after intercommunal violence had ended in early 1964, and it took a pre-planned massive exodus, even in areas in which there was no conflict and no attacks or deaths were marked. The aim was obviously to create a much more controlled environment for the TC masses and earn (generate) the necessary man-power to create a TC army, for what was planned to be a Turkish invasion and partition, a war in which the TC community would act as the internal bridgehead for the facilitation of the Turkish invading forces.

This policy on the part of the TMT and the TC leadership had continued even after 1968, when the GC side had removed all barriers around the enclaves so that the TC could move out and return back to their previous activities outside the enclaves, and simultaneously the two leaderships had begun a formal dialogue and negotiations for a reformed partnership agreement, so that the TC community dismantles it separate administration (state within state) and returns back into the RoC institutions. Perhaps you are not aware of it, (how could you, since no one from your side ever talks about it?) but even though many TCs had chosen to move out of the enclaves and started working or moving freely around Cyprus from 1968-1974, not a single one of them was killed, harmed or even touched by a GC. Not even during the coup in 1974, a single TC was harmed (in fact Denktash called the coup an internal issue among the GCs,) and any deaths of TCs occurred only after the Turkish invasion begun.



That has got to be the funniest and most deperate post to date. I do not think there is a single statment in there that is true. You need to get some sleep Kifeas, it is beginning to take its' toll.......... :lol:

The inter-communal violence that followed was triggered on 21 December 1963 by an incident in Nicosia involving the shooting of a policeman. A police patrol car with Greek Cypriot officers driving down Hermes Street in the old city of Nicosia stopped a car for a routine check. Shots were fired and a young Turk was killed.
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