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[Piratis]

zan, the only ones who share your view are those racists like this Israeli politician.

Of course partition is the best option for you. Keeping all the land that you stole from us is ideal for you obviously. No need to further explain this to us, we know it very well already.

So what do you want from us? To gift to you our land because that suits you best, and just accept that half of our country is lost and that it is ok for our human rights to be violated by you?

If you are willing to fight for things that do not belong to you and you currently keep illegally, don't you think that we will also fight for the things that belong to us and for our basic human rights?

[Viewpoint]

If you cannot agree a solution that both sides can commit to then what do you do ? what do you expect,? Maybe this issue is unsolvable like the example with the police recruits and the israelis are right in saying that division brings peace and stability, referring to Cyprus as a prime example.

[Piratis]

If you cannot agree a solution that both sides can commit to then what do you do ?

The only kind of solution you can commit to is partition. And obviously we can not agree to it.

Therefore what we do is to seek justice and legality and try to find ways to force the occupation army out of Cyprus, and stop wasting our time talking to you.

[zan]

If you cannot agree a solution that both sides can commit to then what do you do ?

The only kind of solution you can commit to is partition. And obviously we can not agree to it.

Therefore what we do is to seek justice and legality and try to find ways to force the occupation army out of Cyprus, and stop wasting our time talking to you.

I have no doubt that you will keep on at what you do best, which is, slag off anyone that disagrees with your view, be they gentile or be they Jew. As long as you keep it sweet then I will to. Your demands are unethical and unjust and only compensation can be the remedy for now. If you cannot see that there can be no alternative because of circumstances then you can shout until you are blue in the face and it will not make a blind bit of difference. You are wrong to ask for what you ask for. It is as simple as that. Slowly the EU and the rest of the world is beginning to see that and more will.

[Piratis]

Your demands are unethical and unjust and only compensation can be the remedy for now.

If for you human rights, legality and democracy are things "unethical" and "unjust" while what is "ethical" are the illegalities that you support, then this tells something about your ethics.

If you cannot see that there can be no alternative because of circumstances then you can shout until you are blue in the face and it will not make a blind bit of difference.

I am not shouting, I just state the facts. I am not trying to make a difference by convincing people like you since this is something impossible. This is why I said that discussing anything with people like you is a waste of time.

What will make a difference are the policies that we should follow. A kick of Turkey out of her EU accession process is one such policy. The only ones who will turn blue will be the Turks, not me.

Similar policies should be followed against Turkey and the illegal regime in the occupied Cyprus until the time that we will be able to liberate our land from the illegal occupation.

Since they decided to be our enemies by occupying part of our country then they should be treated as such. You can not treat in a friendly way and help somebody that does not even respect your basic human rights and is trying to destroy your country.

Of course not all Turkish Cypriots are like you. This is why in another thread I suggested that RoC should take measures to distinguish the TCs who are loyal to Republic of Cyprus and are victims of the Turkish invasion, and do everything it can to help them.
The other TCs, who have sided with a foreign country and are working for the destruction of RoC should be treated in a very strict way by RoC.

As you can see I don't care what you will do or say because I know what you want to do: Try to Turkify the north part of my country, and there is no way you will change your mind.

What I am talking about is what RoC should do. Do you have any problem with that?

[stuballstu]

Piratis wrote

Of course not all Turkish Cypriots are like you. This is why in another thread I suggested that RoC should take measures to distinguish the TCs who are loyal to Republic of Cyprus and are victims of the Turkish invasion, and do everything it can to help them.
The other TCs, who have sided with a foreign country and are working for the destruction of RoC should be treated in a very strict way by RoC.

Piratis

This is a very hypocritical statement. It was in fact Greek Cypriots who were working for the destruction of the ROC by way of their ideology of Enosis. Should the supporters of EOKA-B , which include the current president Papadopolous, be also treated in a "very strict way"? Surely they too where working for the destruction of the ROC?

How can you expect TC's, who viewed the Turkish "intervention" as savours at the time, to now side with the current ROC government?

I don't wish to get in a the GCs started it so they are to blame discussions as what has happened can not be changed its about how the future is shaped that is the most important thing.

[Alexis]

How can you expect TC's, who viewed the Turkish "intervention" as savours at the time, to now side with the current ROC government?

I don't wish to get in a the GCs started it so they are to blame discussions as what has happened can not be changed its about how the future is shaped that is the most important thing.

If the RoC stays to true to its original constitution and promotes the creation of a Cypriot state that embraces both communities then yes we can and should expect the TC community to support the RoC. Whether the current RoC administration does this sufficiently is very much open to debate and given this debate no I do not expect the TC community to simply support the RoC openly. On the other hand I also do not accept that the TC community can support the following:

a) The Turkish Army which has and continues to deny GC refugees the enjoyment of their property and country and continues to violate the 1960 constitution by maintaining the partition of the island against the wishes of the majority of Cypriots.

b) The TRNC in its current form which claims sovereignty over its own affairs to the complete exclusion of the GC community (or anyone not classified as 'Turkish' for that matter) and in violation of the 1960 constitution.

All that needs to change in my opinion is the continued striving by the TRNC to consolidate their position as a separate and sovereign state which excludes the GC community. They could pass laws that make it clear that any political organs are temporary and that any steps taken (including the passing of new legislation) are done so with an eventual settlement that unites the island in mind. Oneobvious step is the request that Turkey withdraw the vast majority of her troops and leave only enough that are required to support the TC troops. Obviously for the time being they must elect representatives to negotiate on their behalf but continuing to support and/or pass laws that promote the continued partition of the island is a violation of the treaty of guarantee the equivalent of which would be the RoC passing laws that effectively make it a province of Greece. The RoC too needs to ensure that all legislation it passes is with the comprehensive settlement and unification of the island in mind taking the best interests of the TC community to heart as far as is possible. In order to move forward we must show each other that unification is our eventual aim. Moves such as opening the Green Line are a good start but the TRNC has a long way to go to prove that partition of the island is not its goal.

[Viewpoint]

If you cannot agree a solution that both sides can commit to then what do you do ?

The only kind of solution you can commit to is partition. And obviously we can not agree to it.

Therefore what we do is to seek justice and legality and try to find ways to force the occupation army out of Cyprus, and stop wasting our time talking to you.

Nothing new then, you have been trying every trick in the book for years continue and I'm sure you will get very much the same result as you have been doing for the last 32 years, with the exception that you have now exposed your real face to the EU and will continue to be a thorn in their side as the only country divided in the union.

[Sotos]

Should the supporters of EOKA-B , which include the current president Papadopolous

You do realize you are an ignorant fool don't you? Papadopoulos a supporter of EOKA-B??

[Sotos]

If you cannot agree a solution that both sides can commit to then what do you do ?

The only kind of solution you can commit to is partition. And obviously we can not agree to it.

Therefore what we do is to seek justice and legality and try to find ways to force the occupation army out of Cyprus, and stop wasting our time talking to you.

Nothing new then, you have been trying every trick in the book for years continue and I'm sure you will get very much the same result as you have been doing for the last 32 years, with the exception that you have now exposed your real face to the EU and will continue to be a thorn in their side as the only country divided in the union.

EU is happy to have us in the union. The Turks are those they don't like. You didn't understood even this?