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Partition: The choice of ultra-nationalist fascists

How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:43 am

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So the % doesn't matter? How about 0% for you and 100% for us then?
Or maybe the % matters, it is just that you want to gain on our loss as usual?
Since your solution is just about %, this topic is exhausted. If you do not accept 12% for you and 88% for us, this means that your "solution" proposal has failed.

So we can now move back to the ways of unifying our country.


This is to expected from some who keeps telling us to go live in Turkey if you could have your way you would reduce us to 0% without blinking an eye.

Like it or not partition is all we have now, looking you in the face every morning you wake and this situation looks like it will continue well into the future, you can wait for the swing all you want but you run a great risk, all it will take is a sudden change in attitude towards the TRNC as the world sees how the GC act in trying to bring about reunification and get pissed of at their antics eg Annan plan discovering that it is near impossible for the 2 sides to be reunited and the Tcs cannot stay in limbo forever thus making a move that you will hate, and regret for rest of your lives. Keep up the good work Piratis with every post you reconfirm that I am 100% right in thinking that division is the only solution.
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Postby zan » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:47 am

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Read this interview and tell me who it sounds like :wink:

http://www.threemonkeysonline.com/artic ... ilbert.htm
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Postby miltiades » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:58 am

Kikapu wrote: "" I am deeply disappointed and hurt that someone can even think about saying they hate me when they do not know me. I find that prejudicial and racist ""

Kikapu I honestly thought you were a T/C , mrfromng has used some harsh language which we all are prone to now and again , even old Miltiades can sometimes behave like a hot blooded warrior !!
Mrfromng is a decent , hot blooded Cypriot that when he feels insulted he lets go with both barrels .No harm in that I have done it many times , so believe me when i say that this guy meant no insult to you or to me .

I like a good argument but I always believe that there are two sides to a coin and try to understand the opposing views and respect the concerns that the opposition has , hoping that reciprocation will undoubtedly , in time perhaps , materialize.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Nov 10, 2006 1:25 am

Viewpoint wrote:Piratis
So the % doesn't matter? How about 0% for you and 100% for us then?
Or maybe the % matters, it is just that you want to gain on our loss as usual?
Since your solution is just about %, this topic is exhausted. If you do not accept 12% for you and 88% for us, this means that your "solution" proposal has failed.

So we can now move back to the ways of unifying our country.


This is to expected from some who keeps telling us to go live in Turkey if you could have your way you would reduce us to 0% without blinking an eye.


Oh, whats wrong now Viewpoint? You didn't like the %? It was OK when you were proposing that we should be ethnically cleansed from our homeland and you gain on our loss. What happened now?

Like it or not partition is all we have now, looking you in the face every morning you wake and this situation looks like it will continue well into the future, you can wait for the swing all you want but you run a great risk, all it will take is a sudden change in attitude towards the TRNC as the world sees how the GC act in trying to bring about reunification and get pissed of at their antics eg Annan plan discovering that it is near impossible for the 2 sides to be reunited and the Tcs cannot stay in limbo forever thus making a move that you will hate, and regret for rest of your lives.


Don't worry. If Cyprus can not be unified and GCs can not not get their land back, then be sure that TCs can also stay in limbo forever. Why the hell do you think that the world will not care about our properties and our human rights and will care about your "limbo" which is a result of your own insistence on illegalities?

Don't expect to gain on our loss Viewpoint. We will never allow that to happen. Be sure about it. You will keep paying dearly for the illegalities that you insist upon.

Keep up the good work Piratis with every post you reconfirm that I am 100% right in thinking that division is the only solution.

Why do you keep repeating this. You want partition and nothing else since the first day you came to this forum. Nothing new here.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Nov 10, 2006 8:14 am

zan wrote:VP

Read this interview and tell me who it sounds like :wink:

http://www.threemonkeysonline.com/artic ... ilbert.htm


Hey Zan thanks for that, it sounds just like Piratis " democratic principles" etc but you know the behind that "lies" other hidden agendas. That's a chilling resemblance, do you think Piratis is Makarios reincarnated? :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Nov 10, 2006 9:30 am

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Oh, whats wrong now Viewpoint? You didn't like the %? It was OK when you were proposing that we should be ethnically cleansed from our homeland and you gain on our loss. What happened now?


That's the difference between you and me and many TCs and Gcs, our view is that we can share parts of the island whereas you believe as it was in the past we should be kicked out annihilated = enosis or even reduced to 0%, nothing new there, the mentality is the same the packaging different. Well we have learned our lesson the hard way and we will not jump into a dark hole and be left to the mercy of the bad in-tented majority.

Don't worry. If Cyprus can not be unified and GCs can not not get their land back, then be sure that TCs can also stay in limbo forever. Why the hell do you think that the world will not care about our properties and our human rights and will care about your "limbo" which is a result of your own insistence on illegalities?


Then you will push for your "rights" and we will push for ours, piece by piece over many years maybe not in our lifetime and with the continuation of GC policies the TRNC will gain recognition. We can stay in limbo for as long as it takes we have done it for 32 years why not another 320. In all this time you will never return, the price you pay for your viewpoint piratis I'm willing to pay and have been paying for 46 years are you? ho yes the swing in power thing you can wait for that as well and when you get it feel free to finish what you started back in the 1960s and finish off the TCs and Turks that live in the north for good, but expect us to go without all hell breaking loose.

Don't expect to gain on our loss Viewpoint. We will never allow that to happen. Be sure about it. You will keep paying dearly for the illegalities that you insist upon.


Do your worst, sometimes paying the price economically is better than paying with your life and living in constant fear and discrimination. I and many TCs would prefer to do this than place our future in the hands of GCs.

Why do you keep repeating this. You want partition and nothing else since the first day you came to this forum. Nothing new here.


You have just scored a further 100% on your how to make TCs want partition test well done, keep up the good work.
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Postby zan » Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:21 am

Viewpoint wrote:
zan wrote:VP

Read this interview and tell me who it sounds like :wink:

http://www.threemonkeysonline.com/artic ... ilbert.htm


Hey Zan thanks for that, it sounds just like Piratis " democratic principles" etc but you know the behind that "lies" other hidden agendas. That's a chilling resemblance, do you think Piratis is Makarios reincarnated? :lol:



If he is it looks like he is going to screw the whole thing up again :roll: :lol:
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Nov 10, 2006 10:58 am

Piratis can at times reveal another side to his arguments which if he displayed more often I think he would get a positive response from many TCs. His hard line cold we demand this verbal regurgitation does not bring any results by the time he realizes this it will to late.
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Postby Piratis » Fri Nov 10, 2006 12:57 pm

That's the difference between you and me and many TCs and Gcs, our view is that we can share parts of the island whereas you believe as it was in the past we should be kicked out annihilated = enosis or even reduced to 0%, nothing new there, the mentality is the same the packaging different. Well we have learned our lesson the hard way and we will not jump into a dark hole and be left to the mercy of the bad in-tented majority.


Here we go again with empty accusations. Thats what you always do when you run out of arguments. You said that 12% or 27% it doesn't matter, so I was asking you if the % of land that you will keep is therefore irrelevant to you. Apparently it is not. You want to gain on our loss in any way possible.

The difference between me and you is that you suport illegalities, crimes and ethnic cleansing (you even want a "solution" based on ehtnic cleansing). You don't want to share the island, you want to split it. Huge difference.


Then you will push for your "rights" and we will push for ours


Illegally occupying 1/3rd of Republic of Cyprus is your right? The 40.000 Turkish troops in Cyprus is your right? The "trnc" is your right? Violating our human rights is your right? Keeping our refugees from their homes is your right?
What I am asking for is human and democratic rights for all Cypriots, so each Cypriot will have the same rights like any other EU citizen, nothing more. What you asre asking for is not your right, it is criminal and illegal.



TRNC will gain recognition. We can stay in limbo for as long as it takes we have done it for 32 years why not another 320.


Viewpoint, we know that you support crimes and illegalities. Thats what you are, nothing new.



You have just scored a further 100% on your how to make TCs want partition test well done, keep up the good work.


What I scored a further 100% is to make practitionists like you realize that their dream of partitioning Cyprus that started since before the 50s is never going to be legalized.

Keep up the "good work" of crimes and illegalities Viewpoint. You are throwing a bunch of empty accusations against me that have nothing to do with what I say or do, but on the other hand as a matter of FACT you are the one who is supporting crimes and illegalities, not me.
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Postby Viewpoint » Fri Nov 10, 2006 3:19 pm

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Here we go again with empty accusations. That's what you always do when you run out of arguments.


Let others judge that, they read what you post and what I post, you suggest we all go live in Turkey and I say lets share the island. There are 2 ways to do this either mixed together or separated side by side eg the last 32 years which imo has been more successful than our dark past.

You said that 12% or 27% it doesn't matter, so I was asking you if the % of land that you will keep is therefore irrelevant to you. Apparently it is not. You want to gain on our loss in any way possible.


You can argue this until you are blue in the face the fact will be that when we agree to officially separated everything to do with land disputes will be analyzed and certain criteria will be put in place to get as many refugees back as possible, keeping this in mind we have to allow for the returning GCs to live in the TRNC and viability of a TRNC containing both communities.
Your sole aim is to reduce us down to 12% which if agreed to be what we are entitled to or we agree to then I am all for it, no objections. But your further arrogance to suggest we are reduced to 0% is just you playing silly buggers, to argue your point against partition which is just another form of a solution allowing that we have been unable to agree zilch regarding reunification.

The difference between me and you is that you suport illegalities, crimes and ethnic cleansing (you even want a "solution" based on ehtnic cleansing). You don't want to share the island, you want to split it. Huge difference


I support "illegalities" as you like to put it if my well being and future depends on it and as long as you exhibit ill will towards my community. I as a Tc also have a stake in this island, we could not make a go of it together when we had the chance and have had to be divided to protect our communities ever since otherwise who knows what would have happened over the past 32 years, we would probably not be here today to argue our side of the story.
Isn't having 2 states with mixed ethnic communities sharing???? or is your idea of sharing where the GCs rule the whole island and we follow like sheep???

Illegally occupying 1/3rd of Republic of Cyprus is your right? The 40.000 Turkish troops in Cyprus is your right? The "trnc" is your right? Violating our human rights is your right? Keeping our refugees from their homes is your right?


My right is to wait safely and peacefully for a solution which we have been unable to agree.

What I am asking for is human and democratic rights for all Cypriots, so each Cypriot will have the same rights like any other EU citizen, nothing more. What you asre asking for is not your right, it is criminal and illegal.


the same old words which are cheap and wearing thin, how do we get there is when you fall flat on your face as you do not have the answer other than surrender we are the majority rhetoric.

What I scored a further 100% is to make practitionists like you realize that their dream of partitioning Cyprus that started since before the 50s is never going to be legalized.


Partition is not the dirty word you make out it is, its the alternative to reunification and reality will stare people like you in the face but you are so blind you will not realize that this risk is great and that some day maybe not in your life time and when it is to late the north will formalize division as the only solution left.

Keep up the "good work" of crimes and illegalities Viewpoint. You are throwing a bunch of empty accusations against me that have nothing to do with what I say or do, but on the other hand as a matter of FACT you are the one who is supporting crimes and illegalities, not me.


I understand you ho so clearly and will not fall into your trap of being forced to live in a GC state run by Gcs where in your famous words we will be reduced to "just another minority".
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