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[zan]

Greece has not any obligation towards cyprus, it is between Cyprus and Turkey, i cant understand why greece had to be there? Turkey is looking for excuses for the train crash

Then I am sorry my friend but you have to read more on the problem to understand it. Greece, Turkey the RoC and the TRNC are the players in this game. What they want is a meeting where two of the four teams are not present and an entity that is outside the whole affair as such to make up the reserve. Nonsense.

[miltiades]

And why should Greece be involved , this a matter between the EU , Turkey and Cyprus as well as the T/C delegation.

[bg_turk]

And why should Greece be involved , this a matter between the EU , Turkey and Cyprus as well as the T/C delegation.

It is a matter between TCs and GCs only. Turkey was right to pull out of the talks, as the TCs are the ones to determine their own future.

[pantheman]

And why should Greece be involved , this a matter between the EU , Turkey and Cyprus as well as the T/C delegation.

It is a matter between TCs and GCs only. Turkey was right to pull out of the talks, as the TCs are the ones to determine their own future.

Yes Bg_Turk, but it is turkey that has the 40,000 troops there and it is turkey that is calling the shots. The TC unfortunately are just pawns here for turkey to use as excuses.

Come on, what say have the TCs in all this, they just do as they are told. Its no good holding a negotiation with a party that has no decision making power. Sure even you can see this !!

I beleive if Turkey was genuinely interested in getting into the EU, they would be doing all they could. Seems to me it's just one excuse after another. Always blame someone else. To be realy honest (no offence to anyone), i think turkey doesn't want to be there anymore than the EU want her to be there and thats the long and short of the matter.

Pantheman

[andri_cy]

And why should Greece be involved , this a matter between the EU , Turkey and Cyprus as well as the T/C delegation.

It is a matter between TCs and GCs only. Turkey was right to pull out of the talks, as the TCs are the ones to determine their own future.

So when it suits us it is between the Cypriots and when it doesnt then we are guarantor powers? How hypocritical is that? If indeed Turkey thinks it is between the Cypriots then they should pull out and let the Cypriots deal with their problems themselves. Otherwise, it is just more bullsh*t and more excuses.

[zan]

And why should Greece be involved , this a matter between the EU , Turkey and Cyprus as well as the T/C delegation.

It is a matter between TCs and GCs only. Turkey was right to pull out of the talks, as the TCs are the ones to determine their own future.

So when it suits us it is between the Cypriots and when it doesnt then we are guarantor powers? How hypocritical is that? If indeed Turkey thinks it is between the Cypriots then they should pull out and let the Cypriots deal with their problems themselves. Otherwise, it is just more bullsh*t and more excuses.

That is not going to happen because that will put the ball firmly in the RoC court. The RoC is doing all they can to avoid that situation because it will mean dealing with a real entity that is the Turkish Cypriots instead of playing silly games and blaming Turkey. And to suggest that Greece has not been in discussions with the RoC and has had influence on its decision is insulting to say the least. I did not think that you of all people would try that one on.

[Sotos]

The troops that occupy Cyprus are Turkish troops and not TC troops. We don't have a problem with Turkish Cypriots. Our problem is with Turkey and their troops that occupy our country.

[zan]

The troops that occupy Cyprus are Turkish troops and not TC troops. We don't have a problem with Turkish Cypriots. Our problem is with Turkey and their troops that occupy our country.

That is exactly the political game that the RoC and Greece are playing. The independance was issued by the TRNC not Turkey have you not got a problem with that. If not why are we not recognised so that we can ask Turkey to withdraw her troops because they are not needed any more.

[andri_cy]

And why should Greece be involved , this a matter between the EU , Turkey and Cyprus as well as the T/C delegation.

It is a matter between TCs and GCs only. Turkey was right to pull out of the talks, as the TCs are the ones to determine their own future.

So when it suits us it is between the Cypriots and when it doesnt then we are guarantor powers? How hypocritical is that? If indeed Turkey thinks it is between the Cypriots then they should pull out and let the Cypriots deal with their problems themselves. Otherwise, it is just more bullsh*t and more excuses.

That is not going to happen because that will put the ball firmly in the RoC court. The RoC is doing all they can to avoid that situation because it will mean dealing with a real entity that is the Turkish Cypriots instead of playing silly games and blaming Turkey. And to suggest that Greece has not been in discussions with the RoC and has had influence on its decision is insulting to say the least. I did not think that you of all people would try that one on.

I didn't say any of that. Actually my response was rhetorical and it was to bg-turk that claimed that it was between the Cypriots. I didn't claim Greece shouldn't be a part or any of that other stuff. But if we were to go there, at this point, Greece is not the country that has 40K troops on foreign soil, Turkey is. I don't believe this is actually a matter of just Cypriots since Turkey is involved up her neck in this. Also, I don't see how it would be totally bad, if Greece went to the table, if that is the only reason Turkey is giving for not going.

[zan]

I didn't say any of that. Actually my response was rhetorical and it was to bg-turk that claimed that it was between the Cypriots. I didn't claim Greece shouldn't be a part or any of that other stuff. But if we were to go there, at this point, Greece is not the country that has 40K troops on foreign soil, Turkey is. I don't believe this is actually a matter of just Cypriots since Turkey is involved up her neck in this. Also, I don't see how it would be totally bad, if Greece went to the table, if that is the only reason Turkey is giving for not going.

I think that we both know that there is a hell of a lot more politics behind the reason for wanting Greece in on these discussions. Equally there are a lot of politics behind the reason for Greece not wanting to be there. Having said all that the reasons for the TRNC to be there outweigh any of those.