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Postby Piratis » Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:29 am

God you are so naive, how will you guarantee that the exam results are evaluated correctly and that the board is not biased towards one community.

In the same way that is done in all other democratic countries.

We have seen this many times in Cyprus where the results are manipulated to suit the final aim which is recruiting GCs rather that TCs.

???? When? The discrimination between Turks and Greeks (or Muslims and Christians) in Cyprus was introduced by the Turks and the Greek Cypriots had to suffer such discriminations for centuries. Even until today you insist on a racist discrimination and separation of the two communities. Whenever an end in this discrimination and separation was suggested it was rejected by you. You do this because you want to keep a lot more than what proportionately belongs to you on our loss.



and isn't this really the crux of the Cyprus problem?

Yes, the discrimination between the two communities is one of the main reasons of the Cyprus problems along with the Turkish expansionism.

Since you recognize this then why you do not accept and end to such discriminations and separations and to have in Cyprus what they have in all other democratic countries in the world? Equal Cypriot citizens. As you know we are not the only multi-culture country. Shouldn't we follow the examples of other multi-culture countries, instead of you insisting that a "solution" can be achieved by means of ethnic cleansings and land grabs of you against us and be modeled after the Apartheid that they used to have in South Africa?
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Postby Piratis » Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:30 am

Pyrpolizer wrote:Zan you declared your self a devoted partitionist many times.
A couple of posts away you even told us it's upto the Tcs (!!!!!!!!) to decide how much land they need to survive, in case partition would be an acceptable option by the GCs.

So perhaps you owe everybody an explanation: What is your real aim behind this topic?


Isn't it clean Pyrpolizer? Every post that those two make (Zan, Viewpoint) has as an aim to excuse their crimes and illegalities against us and nothing else.
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Postby zan » Thu Nov 02, 2006 9:52 am

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Pyrpolizer wrote:Btw you seem to think in terms of the 60s. Today nothing works as it worked in the 60s.EVERYBODY demands for his rights and there are constant changes to secure those rights. It is a never ending process but I beleive we are not far away from any other EU nation. You asked a specific example about someone who applies for policeman.

Well hear this:
The number one headline this weak in RoC is the statement of the chief of Police that he is" worried" by the huge percentage of women getting police jobs. Currently the rate of newly hired is 2 women to 1 man. Well everybody accuses the chief of being racist, but anyway do you know why so many women succed?
Because they are hired after sitting WRITTEN EXAMS man, and because today young boys dont study nothing at school. Only girls do study. We have a University here the so called "female University" of the Universe. Just go there have a look, and tell me how many male and how many female you see.


God you are so naive, how will you guarantee that the exam results are evaluated correctly and that the board is not biased towards one community. We have seen this many times in Cyprus where the results are manipulated to suit the final aim which is recruiting GCs rather that TCs. Even if the exam were conducted fairly and the TC was also called up for an interview he could fail due his ethnic background, language, eye colour any stupid excuse and you could not object. The board conducting the exam is the key because if this board is made up of GCs, collectively they will be biased against TCs, how do you ensure this does not happen? and isn't this really the crux of the Cyprus problem?


It is quite clear now . They are educating their women to take over Cyprus because the men are not quite up to it. :wink: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Postby zan » Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:01 am

First you say:


In the same way that is done in all other democratic countries.



Then you say:


When? The discrimination between Turks and Greeks (or Muslims and Christians) in Cyprus was introduced by the Turks and the Greek Cypriots had to suffer such discriminations for centuries. Even until today you insist on a racist discrimination and separation of the two communities. Whenever an end in this discrimination and separation was suggested it was rejected by you. You do this because you want to keep a lot more than what proportionately belongs to you on our loss.


Democratic revenge, a new way of thinking.


Since you recognize this then why you do not accept and end to such discriminations and separations and to have in Cyprus what they have in all other democratic countries in the world? Equal Cypriot citizens. As you know we are not the only multi-culture country. Shouldn't we follow the examples of other multi-culture countries, instead of you insisting that a "solution" can be achieved by means of ethnic cleansings and land grabs of you against us and be modeled after the Apartheid that they used to have in South Africa?


That is even more scary because I have been to South Africa and still the way the whites treat the blacks is appalling. What this thread is about is to try and avoid that outcome so there is no conflict. Yes I am a partitions because of the situation and because of people like you. I hope both would have changed by the time unification can become a reality.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:03 am

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In the same way that is done in all other democratic countries.


Tell me how? don't just avoid the issue and quote other countries at me as every country has it unique history and make up. How will you ensure a TC candidate will be dealt with exactly the same as a GC when the evaluation is board is made up of purely GCs? seeing they will be the numerical majority.

???? When? The discrimination between Turks and Greeks (or Muslims and Christians) in Cyprus was introduced by the Turks and the Greek Cypriots had to suffer such discriminations for centuries. Even until today you insist on a racist discrimination and separation of the two communities. Whenever an end in this discrimination and separation was suggested it was rejected by you. You do this because you want to keep a lot more than what proportionately belongs to you on our loss.


And my mother cooks eggs you are talk rubbish again, we all know the mentality of many so called "Cypriots" that will favor not the best man for the job but the man who is from his own community, you have it now in the south I have yet to see 1 foreigner of non Greek ethnic background in a high ranking job.

You know full well that the separation happened because we were 2 fighting kids that would have continued to cause each other harm if we continued to live together. The only reason we cannot live together now is because we can still not resolve our problems which is don't forget not one sided you are to blame as much as me, the last rejection came from the resounding GC community.

Yes, the discrimination between the two communities is one of the main reasons of the Cyprus problems along with the Turkish expansionism.


Bullshit, the discrimination was fine back in the 1960s when it served your purposes stop being such a hypocrite.

Since you recognize this then why you do not accept and end to such discriminations and separations and to have in Cyprus what they have in all other democratic countries in the world? Equal Cypriot citizens.


On an individual basis I agree but how will you have equal communities will I be able to influence my own future and not be forced to accept GC domination due their numerical majority.

As you know we are not the only multi-culture country. Shouldn't we follow the examples of other multi-culture countries, instead of you insisting that a "solution" can be achieved by means of ethnic cleansings and land grabs of you against us and be modeled after the Apartheid that they used to have in South Africa?


This division will continue as long as it is necessary for us to agree a united Cyprus, the sooner you come to terms with this the better for everyone. ıf you want to reunite then you have to address my concerns as I have to address yours, I do not want to live in a GC state where democracy and human rights are administered purely by them and I have no control mechanism to ensure that my community is not exploited or forced into situations which they do not desire. You want to force majority rule and use every advantage it brings to go back to Makarios tactics of assimilating the TCs into the GC majority and thus turning Cyprus into a GC state. Well we TCs will not let this happen in any shape way or form, you have tired it before and were unsuccessful and will continue to fail as long as you do not get rid of this I am the majority so therefore I can do what I want you have to shut up and toe the line. We TCs are proud people and we have survived under much tougher conditions we will continue to love and cherish the TRNC until or if ever a better alternative appears, if not then sie la vie life goes on and we all eat drink and be merry.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Nov 02, 2006 10:17 am

Piratis wrote:
Pyrpolizer wrote:Zan you declared your self a devoted partitionist many times.
A couple of posts away you even told us it's upto the Tcs (!!!!!!!!) to decide how much land they need to survive, in case partition would be an acceptable option by the GCs.

So perhaps you owe everybody an explanation: What is your real aim behind this topic?


Isn't it clean Pyrpolizer? Every post that those two make (Zan, Viewpoint) has as an aim to excuse their crimes and illegalities against us and nothing else.


Why do you think that is? and don't give the same old line about land grab, if the land issue were ever dissected by experts back to the 1940, 50, 60 I am pretty certain the TCs would end up with more than 37%.
Its because I do not have any confidence in people with your attitude and mentality to build a future in a united Cyprus. All you arguments revolve around your numerical power which is why you are gagging on the bit to get back to the 1960 agreement which you can anniahlate using the EU to give you that swing in power, well we are not stupid enough to down that street we have done that and we all know the consequences. Think of the land grab you blame me for as my security for the future, or alimony for a messy marriage. The question is do you want to get back together with me (the TCs) or is it really the alimony/security that you want back and the power to control my every move?????
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Postby andri_cy » Thu Nov 02, 2006 8:24 pm

Viewpoint wrote:God you are so naive, how will you guarantee that the exam results are evaluated correctly and that the board is not biased towards one community. We have seen this many times in Cyprus where the results are manipulated to suit the final aim which is recruiting GCs rather that TCs. Even if the exam were conducted fairly and the TC was also called up for an interview he could fail due his ethnic background, language, eye colour any stupid excuse and you could not object. The board conducting the exam is the key because if this board is made up of GCs, collectively they will be biased against TCs, how do you ensure this does not happen? and isn't this really the crux of the Cyprus problem?



You keep talking as if you are taking it for granted that the board is going to be made solely of GC, and you are whining about something that you know isn't so. If and when and a solution is found, I am sure such government hiring boards will consist of both backgrounds. Stop seeing problems where there are none. I am not saying there are no problems, but we have enough without conjuring some up on the spot also don't you think?
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:36 pm

cypezokyli wrote: your analogy is by all means rediculous, not to mention racist


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What analogy and stuff are you talking about topuzokyli. I mentioned FACTS. :razz:
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Thu Nov 02, 2006 11:41 pm

Viewpoint wrote: God you are so naive, how will you guarantee that the exam results are evaluated correctly and that the board is not biased towards one community.


I will go to the plumber and buy one of your high pressure safety valves to British Standards BS86900 now EN standrds 80750/revission 2006 you idiot.

Shit I constantly read posts from idiots tonight

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Postby Pyrpolizer » Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:08 am

Viewpoint wrote: how will you guarantee that the exam results are evaluated correctly and that the board is not biased towards one community. We have seen this many times in Cyprus where the results are manipulated to suit the final aim which is recruiting GCs rather that TCs. Even if the exam were conducted fairly and the TC was also called up for an interview he could fail due his ethnic background, language, eye colour any stupid excuse and you could not object. The board conducting the exam is the key because if this board is made up of GCs, collectively they will be biased against TCs, how do you ensure this does not happen? and isn't this really the crux of the Cyprus problem?


I already said you are living by the standards of the 60s but it seems you are more idiot that cypezokyli, coming back making stupid assumptions over stupid assumptions to come up to your rediculous conclussions and even call me naive.

I will only describe you the CURRENT procedure:

The written exams are evaluated without knowing who wrote what. The name and ID of the individual is sealed.
The TC will me examined in Turkish and be graded by a TC evaluator.

Then there is physical exams on a pass/fail basis. 100 meter run, 1 meter jump etc. Different criteria for men and women.

The interview is also on a pass or fail basis. So far no-one failed at the personal interview.

Now you tell me how can anyone can be excluded either on racial on sexist basis. I already told you we have this stange phenomenon among GC students that girls study and get much better grades than boys. I already told you the Chief of Police said the Police force will be female dominated in a few years…. What else do you want to be happy? To tell you I agree with your partition dream. I don’t agree, go to hell.
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