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[bakala]

Alexis there is no doubt in my mind that not all Greek Cypriots were complicit in the intended genocide of the Turkish Cypriots, very Many Greek Cypriots tried to protect and hide their Turkish Cypriot friends and neighbors and paid for it with their lives once the pro Enosis militia and Eoka thugs caught up with them.
unfortunately if you didn't want Enosis to succeed, it didn't matter if you were Greek or Turkish Cypriot you were a dead man...
the Turks were targeted not because of their political beliefs but simply because they were Turkish

[Piratis]

FACT: 37% of the Republic of Cyprus is illegally occupied by Turkey.

Republic of Cyprus does not mean just GCs. It means Cypriots. However Turkey, along with the 18% minority of Turkish Cypriots stole that 37% of land from Republic of Cyprus and the rest of Cypriots. This is why the occupation is illegal.

Bakala and his similar are trying to present GCs as the evils and Turks are the innocents, forgetting that for the 339 years out of the last 435, the Turks are the ones who butchered Greek Cypriots by the thousands and who even until today continue with their usual crimes against us.
Out of all our whole history they selectively choose a tiny part to present GCs are evils. Why the do that? To excuse even more crimes against us! When will the Turks finally stop the crimes?

The old EOKA war cry of " we will not rest until we have cleansed the sacred soil of Cyprus of all Turkish Cypriots "
Guess who is famous for quoting this one many times to his terrorist cronies ?

Mr puppetdopolous himself, the guy who now claims to be the only legitimate voice for those same Turkish Cypriots he didn't manage to murder !

You are lying out of your ass as usual. Having run out of the Turkish propaganda you apparently decided to invent some more by yourself.

you should be ashamed of yourself supporting a former terrorist in Government

Bakala, people like you have no shame. You and your similar are a bunch of crooks and nothing more. You are polluting this forum just be being here. Go feet your crap to your children, not to us.

[Strahd]

Alexis

The old EOKA war cry of " we will not rest until we have cleansed the sacred soil of Cyprus of all Turkish Cypriots "
Guess who is famous for quoting this one many times to his terrorist cronies ?

Mr puppetdopolous himself, the guy who now claims to be the only legitimate voice for those same Turkish Cypriots he didn't manage to murder !

you should be ashamed of yourself supporting a former terrorist in Government

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While Talat's hands are all clean are they? Wasn't he a member of TMT?

[Piratis]

According to Piratis
the Turks stole Cyprus from the Venetians
later the British Stole Cyprus from Turkey
funnily enough i don't see any references to Greeks owning it or having it stolen from them, is that because Greece never has had the island of Cyprus and only tried to take it by its sneaky ( unlawful ) enosis plan
Perhaps the whole island should be handed back to the Venetians eh ?

Exactly this shows that the vast majority of native population of Cyprus are Greeks, that have been under foreign rulers.
It is not about who rules a place, it is about what the native population is.

Of course Bakala does not accept this, since according to his Nazi beliefs the land rightfully belongs to the ones who have the power to keep it under their occupation, and not to the native population.

[sal]

I was thinking it was pretty biased also and I am not one of the extremist people on this forum. I think it is a little more than biased.

I must agree. I read it and thought it was biased from the start in favour of the TC's. Almost like the GC's were asking for it!
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[bakala]

some people think that 37% of Cyprus is free of Greek domination, it all depends on which side of the border you stand !

[Piratis]

some people think that 37% of Cyprus is free of Greek domination, it all depends on which side of the border you stand !

Yes, maybe the Turks should do another genocide in Cyprus so the whole Cyprus would be free of Greek Cypriots, not just the 37% of it.

[Alexis]

Alexis

The old EOKA war cry of " we will not rest until we have cleansed the sacred soil of Cyprus of all Turkish Cypriots "
Guess who is famous for quoting this one many times to his terrorist cronies ?

Mr puppetdopolous himself, the guy who now claims to be the only legitimate voice for those same Turkish Cypriots he didn't manage to murder !

you should be ashamed of yourself supporting a former terrorist in Government

Again making inferences from my posts. When did I say supported any of the previous or even the present governments of Cyprus? We were talking about two issues I believe:

1) Land in North Cyprus
2) Genocide in Cyprus between 1963-1974

My arguments are as follows:
1) No-one claims that all of Cyprus is owned by just the GCs. A high proportion of the land in North Cyprus is GC owned but this does not mean there is no TC land and it certainly doesn't mean that because some people jump to conclusions about whether some other people have or haven't bought GC land that those people also believe there is no TC land in northern Cyprus. You are free to make your own inferences from any post made here but do not accuse people of definitively saying something when they have not that is all I'm saying.

2) Genocide, which I believe is a very serious matter indeed. I have yet to see any evidence (I include the Akritas Plan) that backs up this claim. This in no way means I support what the government in Cyprus did in this period it is simply that given all the evidence I have seen, neither the government nor the GC community at large had intentions to perform genocide against the TC community. That doesn't mean that there were no individuals who did not want to see the genocide of the TC community (we know for a fact that some did) nor does it mean that no TCs were massacred in this period. You claim that anyone against Enosis was 'a dead man' the truth is plenty of people GCs were against Enosis in the 1970s and lived to tell the tale. The situation at the time polarised the GC community many of which still were in favour of Enosis but almost as many again who supported Makarios' government and wanted nothing to do with the Junta government in Greece, these include many members of my own family. Yes, TC sympathisers were killed by EOKA so how does that prove genocide occurred? Any comparisons between the conflict in Cyprus in 1963-1974 and the holocaust are in my view incorrect and very very misleading, this does not mean I do not empathise with the TC community's position in these years it is simply inaccurate to compare this with a genocide.

[Strahd]

... is that because Greece never has had the island of Cyprus and only tried to take it by its sneaky ( unlawful ) enosis plan
Perhaps the whole island should be handed back to the Venetians eh ?

Greece never had a part of Cyprus and it never had anything to do with invasions or imperealistic views of the new hellenic republic.

Cyprus was collonised by Greeks 2000 years ago and even after all the different conquerors it remains by more than 85% hellenic in population. Greece never wanted to conquer Cyprus, it did not have too because it was Greek before history was ever begining to be written... The majority of the Cypriot people namely the Greeks who originated from the island of Cyprus felt at the point where the new Hellenic republic was formed, that they deserved to be part of this as Rhodes, Crete, the Ionian islands, Macedonia, Thrace, Thessally and so on.

On the other hand the muslims of Cyprus because this is what they used to call themselves before they were brainwashed by the Kemallist ideals most of them were greeks as well, they only turned to islam to get away from higher taxation and stop beeing second class citizens. Reminds of the modern example of Cypriots fleeing Cyprus in fear of the Brittish empire while the Struggle for freedom and union with Greece by EOKA 1955-59.

[sal]

Again, this may be a stupid question...why are they called 'Greek Cypriots' - because they are from Greek descent? Why are they not just called Cypriots?
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