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[Piratis]

I was waiting when a Turk would use this thread as a chance to promote their propaganda.

What is a FACT (and therefore can not be biased) is that the Turkish occupation of Cyprus is as illegal as it can get, the same goes for the pseudo state of "trnc".

The Cyprus problem as it exists today happened in 1974 when Turkey invaded and illegally occupied the north part of Cyprus. Of course problems in Cyprus existed before that, and the conflicts between Greeks and Turks in Cyprus started long long time ago like this:

Throughout the period of Venetian rule, Ottoman Turks raided and attacked at will. In 1489, the first year of Venetian control, Turks attacked the Karpas Peninsula, pillaging and taking captives to be sold into slavery. In 1539 the Turkish fleet attacked and destroyed Limassol. Fearing the ever-expanding Ottoman Empire, the Venetians had fortified Famagusta, Nicosia, and Kyrenia, but most other cities were easy prey.

In the summer of 1570, the Turks struck again, but this time with a full-scale invasion rather than a raid. About 60,000 troops, including cavalry and artillery, under the command of Lala Mustafa Pasha landed unopposed near Limassol on July 2, 1570, and laid siege to Nicosia. In an orgy of victory on the day that the city fell--September 9, 1570--20,000 Nicosians were put to death, and every church, public building, and palace was looted.

Thats how it started. The Turks came to Cyprus just to exploit us, and that is what they are doing since then. Cyprus had been under Turkish oppression for 307 years where Greek Cypriots were treated as third class citizens and butchered every time they demanded a bit of freedom.

In 1878 the Turks lost Cyprus to the British. But as you understand they wanted Cyprus back for strategic reasons. In the beginning the demanded from the UK to give them back the whole Cyprus, and when they realized this was not possible they started to demand partition of our island.

In 1974 they found the excuse they needed to put their plans into action and partition Cyprus. For the last 32 years years they illegaly occupy the north part of our country. So during the last 435 years, Turks have occupied Cyprus, and oppressed Greek Cypriots for the 339!! They started in the 15 century and they continue in the same barbaric middle age way even until today!

Greek Cypriots were butchered by them by the 1000s, and they still violate our human rights and refuse to give us back our land, and as an excuse they selectively use a time period of a decade to blame the GCs, forgetting all their crimes in Cyprus.

This is why in the Turkish propaganda you will always notice that they refer to a few very specific years, and even during those years they fail to mention their own crimes.

Basically lame excuses of the Turks that are trying to excuse even more crimes and illegalities against us, as they were doing for the most part of their history in Cyprus.

To answer some more of your questions:

What happened to make Turkey invade?

The reason was that they wanted Cyprus for their own strategic reasons, something admitted many times by the Turkish Generals who run Turkey. The excuse was the protection of the TC minority in Cyprus. Hitler has done the same when he invaded Czechoslovakia to supposedly protect the German minority there.

What are the facts?

Some undisputed facts are:
1) The occupation of Cyprus by Turkey is illegal
2) Their pseudo state in Cyprus called "trnc" is illegal
3) There is only one state in Cyprus, Republic of Cyprus, the north part of which is under Turkish occupation.
4) The Turks started the conflict in Cyprus, and they show no indication that they want to end it, since they feel they have the power to continue to exploit our lands and violate our human rights, as they did for the most part of their history in Cyprus.

Who are the Turkish people living there now?

Half are Turkish Cypriots, and the other half are Turkish Settlers brought from Turkey in order to change the demographics in Cyprus.

What made them want to occupy that area?

They want to occupy as much as they can, and they used their minority in Cyprus to do it, showing no respect to international law and the sovereignty of Republic of Cyprus. The reasons are the same as why Iraq had invaded Kuwait. (Strong big Nazi country VS small weak country near it) What differs are the excuses.

Also, this may be a stupid question...did the Cypriot people not kick off when they invaded? If so, why did no other country come to back them up like USA or UK - as we claim to be doing now, for example, when invading other countries and fighting for people's freedoms etc? I just don't get how it could happen.

The USA/UK intervene only were it suits them. For example they didn't bomb Israel when Israel had invaded Lebanon just a few months ago.
That said, the USA/UK along with the rest of world had convicted the invasion and had placed embargoes on Turkey for some years. But since Turkey was their good Allie they didn't want to spoil their relationship with them just for Cyprus.

[zan]

Yes, waiting on the edge of your seat to use it as an excuse to start your own propaganda. We have heard it all before though.

[miltiades]

Every one must surely agree that had the Cypriot people of the 50s and 60s , that were driven into a frenzy by their respective political and religious leaders fed with the cancerous motherland bullshit , had they accepted what I stand for today and thousands like me , our Island would be indeed the paradise on earth , but here we are waving f..ng foreign rugs and ignoring our real identities. I mention earlier that Cyprus's most respected export for it's quality is simply called " Cyprus potatoes " it appears we have less brain than a simple root. !!
Not forgetting Halloumi of course not refered to as North or South Cyprus but just plain halloumi with Cyprus olives. !

[Viewpoint]

Every one must surely agree that had the Cypriot people of the 50s and 60s , that were driven into a frenzy by their respective political and religious leaders fed with the cancerous motherland bullshit , had they accepted what I stand for today and thousands like me , our Island would be indeed the paradise on earth , but here we are waving f..ng foreign rugs and ignoring our real identities. I mention earlier that Cyprus's most respected export for it's quality is simply called " Cyprus potatoes " it appears we have less brain than a simple root. !!
Not forgetting Halloumi of course not refered to as North or South Cyprus but just plain halloumi with Cyprus olives. !

Known as HELLIM in the TRNC thank you....

[bakala]

Isn't it funny how many times there are references to " stealing Greek land" its as if all land on the Whole island belonged to Greeks at sometime or other, The inference being that no one else ever owned land in Cyprus except Greeks,

is this some sort of Ploy to justify the attempted genocide of the Turkish Cypriots in the period from 1960 to 1974, perhaps the Turkish Cypriots were living on Greek Cypriot land or was it just because they were breathing the same Air as the Greeks,

With this sort of " all the island belongs to Greeks" mentality how can anyone expect the Turkish Cypriots to ever consider living under a Greek Cypriot dominated government

[bakala]

According to Piratis
the Turks stole Cyprus from the Venetians
later the British Stole Cyprus from Turkey
funnily enough i don't see any references to Greeks owning it or having it stolen from them, is that because Greece never has had the island of Cyprus and only tried to take it by its sneaky ( unlawful ) enosis plan
Perhaps the whole island should be handed back to the Venetians eh ?

[Alexis]

Isn't it funny how many times there are references to " stealing Greek land" its as if all land on the Whole island belonged to Greeks at sometime or other, The inference being that no one else ever owned land in Cyprus except Greeks,

That's your inference mate and you are free to make it. I don't believe however that anyone on this forum has ever said all the land in Cyprus belongs to the Greek-Cypriots.

is this some sort of Ploy to justify the attempted genocide of the Turkish Cypriots in the period from 1960 to 1974, perhaps the Turkish Cypriots were living on Greek Cypriot land or was it just because they were breathing the same Air as the Greeks,

Nothing can ever 'justify' genocide. Personally I think you are way off the mark there was no attempted genocide of the TC community and claiming there was helps no-one resolve anything.

With this sort of " all the island belongs to Greeks" mentality how can anyone expect the Turkish Cypriots to ever consider living under a Greek Cypriot dominated government

Again this is your inference, no-one ever said this, even the most vocal of Greek-Cypriots on this forum. No we don't expect the TC just to simply live under a Greek dominated government but we do expect them to negotiate in good faith towards a bizonal federation. We also expect them to realise that the GC community has just as much right to enjoy the entire island as they do and that there is no part of this island that anyone can call either 'Turkish' or 'Greek'. The irony is that you have inadvertently stumbled across the whole point as to why the TRNC cannot be given recognition except it is nothing to do with the reasons/inferences you have stated.

[bakala]

Alexis
I am sorry mate but i have rarely seen a post by a pro Greek Cypriot that doesnt infer that all the land in the North is illegally occupied by ( criminal buyers )
i have lost count of the times i have been accused of being a criminal because i have bought a villa and land and am now living in North Cyprus, Most if not all pro Greek Cypriots assume that i MUST be a criminal because it MUST be ex Greek land i have bought, the inference being that all land in the north was owned by Greeks and now its stolen land,

Your claim that there was no genocide of the Turkish Cypriots in those years from 1960 to 1974 would be funny if it wasn't such a serious subject, Its like denying the Holocaust in Europe from 1938 to 1945

[Alexis]

Alexis
I am sorry mate but i have rarely seen a post by a pro Greek Cypriot that doesnt infer that all the land in the North is illegally occupied by ( criminal buyers )
i have lost count of the times i have been accused of being a criminal because i have bought a villa and land and am now living in North Cyprus, Most if not all pro Greek Cypriots assume that i MUST be a criminal because it MUST be ex Greek land i have bought, the inference being that all land in the north was owned by Greeks and now its stolen land,

Your claim that there was no genocide of the Turkish Cypriots in those years from 1960 to 1974 would be funny if it wasn't such a serious subject, Its like denying the Holocaust in Europe from 1938 to 1945

It's still an inference, and no actually I have not seen a post that says all the land in the north in GC owned but I have seen ones that say 80% of the land is. There's a difference and you are mis-representing what these people have been saying. Yes I have seen some GCs jump to the conclusion that yourself or other people who have bought land in the north must have bought GC land but that is jumping to conclusions and not the same as proclaiming that all the land in the north is GC owned. The fact remains that anyone buying land in the north is more than likely to be buying GC owned land but doesn't mean that everyone will be and it sure as hell does not imply that all the land in the north is GC owned.

My claim there was no genocide in the Cyprus in 1963-1974 is based on facts and nothing more. I do realise how serious the subject of holocaust and genocide is and it is exactly for this reason that I believe your view is very irresponsible indeed. Genocide is defined as follows:

'The systematic and planned extermination of an entire national, racial, political, or ethnic group.'

There are simply no facts that show this happened at any time in the pewriod 1963-1974, you are again deliberately mis-representing what actually happened in Cyprus at this time. Show me one piece of evidence that suggests the Makarios regime was intent on the systematic and planned extermination of the entire TC populace. Also back this up by proving the GC populace were complicit in this plan.

In any case if you can consider what happened to the TC community in 1963-1974 genocide than surely the GC community can consider what happened in 1974 in the space of a month as genocide, this was certainly far more systematic and most definitely planned, yet I have never seen a GC refer to the ethnic cleansing performed by the Turkish Army in 1974 as genocide. Believe me I understand how serious this issue is.

[bakala]

Alexis

The old EOKA war cry of " we will not rest until we have cleansed the sacred soil of Cyprus of all Turkish Cypriots "
Guess who is famous for quoting this one many times to his terrorist cronies ?

Mr puppetdopolous himself, the guy who now claims to be the only legitimate voice for those same Turkish Cypriots he didn't manage to murder !

you should be ashamed of yourself supporting a former terrorist in Government

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