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[Niki]

But do you also have some wine to go with the discusions , I always find that a good bottle of wine , mostly red , brings out the best in people !!!

I'm with you there miltiades.

Eliko - don't you think you are rather generalising?

Places like Napa have been created to encourage the louts. I believe it was the Cypriots who have made Napa what it is today in order to make lots of money for themselves.

The UK has more than it's fair share of problems as do most countries but you cannot condemn all British people. Maybe you just haven't taken the time to get a 'bigger picture' and a more informed point of view.

[bigfatlondonboy]

yet another thread turned into an anti anything english...

[Eliko]

Niki2410............. I cannot accept that Ayia Napa was created to encourage loutish behaviour,ufortunately it has become so due to the fact that it has been allowed to flourish and yes, there is considerable wealth generated by it's popularity. However, on a world-wide scale, it is comparitively insignificant. The real problem lies with those who frequent such places and we are here dealing with 'British Youth' and British attitudes, particularly abroad.
As representatives of their country and culture, I personally feel that they present themselves in an unacceptably disrespectful manner, the attitudes of both young and old are generally of the same ilk, 'We are British' ergo 'We may conduct ourselves as we see fit', thus you may well accuse me of generalisation. I have travelled extensively and assure you that I do not lightly condemn anything that does not suit my standards, the fact is that in my own experiences I have often been shocked by the insolence and arrogance of 'Britishers Abroad', no other nation on earth displays itself so and there is a serious problem here.

[Eliko]

Niki2410............. I cannot accept that Ayia Napa was created to encourage loutish behaviour,ufortunately it has become so due to the fact that it has been allowed to flourish and yes, there is considerable wealth generated by it's popularity. However, on a world-wide scale, it is comparitively insignificant. The real problem lies with those who frequent such places and we are here dealing with 'British Youth' and British attitudes, particularly abroad.
As representatives of their country and culture, I personally feel that they present themselves in an unacceptably disrespectful manner, the attitudes of both young and old are generally of the same ilk, 'We are British' ergo 'We may conduct ourselves as we see fit', thus you may well accuse me of generalisation. I have travelled extensively and assure you that I do not lightly condemn anything that does not suit my standards, the fact is that in my own experiences I have often been shocked by the insolence and arrogance of 'Britishers Abroad', no other nation on earth displays itself so and there is a serious problem here.

[Eliko]

Niki2410...........

I tried 'miltiades' bottle of red wine and look what's happened, I've submitted twice. (seeing double eh!) X

[observer]

Reverting to the subject - not a normal thing to do on this forum but I thought it might be a novelty - last time I was up there (over a year ago) the buildings around the Church were in a bad state of repair through neglect. My understanding is that they were originally built for pilgrims. It seems sensible to restore and repair them rather than let them crumble through neglect.

Just because there will be (may be?) accommodation there doesn't mean that the beer lout brigade will move in. Enough places in Cyprus and elsewhere around the Med for them already.

[Niki]

Eliko

I am sorry you feel this way about the Brits. I suppose I can understand your perception as you see a certain 'type' of Brit who I personally would avoid but do realise exist. Unfortunately certain parts of Cyprus does attract this kind of person.

I hope you will believe that there is far more to a Brit than the drunken louts on whom you seem to have based your opinion.

If Britain is so bad why do so many students opt to study here. I read recently that the highest influx of foreign students into the UK are Cypriots. Maybe our education system is desirable???? Maybe this also demonstrates the fact that there must therefore be educated people in the UK.

[miltiades]

Eliko , I have always believed and still do , that the British people , the majority that are decent , sophisticated , tolerant , in fact too tolerant for their own good , law abiding , caring and fair minded are also concerned at the behaviour of the British Yob , a by product mostly of broken homes , single parent and thoroughly undisciplined .

My children , adults now , half English , would never in a million years behave the way these yobs do, but there again there are in every country undisciplined rude people , although I would agree with you that in Ayia Nappa its the Brits mostly.

[Alexis]

Reverting to the subject - not a normal thing to do on this forum but I thought it might be a novelty - last time I was up there (over a year ago) the buildings around the Church were in a bad state of repair through neglect. My understanding is that they were originally built for pilgrims. It seems sensible to restore and repair them rather than let them crumble through neglect.

Just because there will be (may be?) accommodation there doesn't mean that the beer lout brigade will move in. Enough places in Cyprus and elsewhere around the Med for them already.

These should definitely be restored but why turn them into a hotel? In fact why not turn this into a bi-communal project involving architects from both communities as we have seen with the Nicosia Masterplan? Afterall this is effectively a heritage site that 'belongs' to the GC community. By belong I use this in the looses sense of the word possible (a bit like the EVKAF sites and mosques in the south 'belong' to TC community).

[observer]

These should definitely be restored but why turn them into a hotel? In fact why not turn this into a bi-communal project involving architects from both communities as we have seen with the Nicosia Masterplan? Afterall this is effectively a heritage site that 'belongs' to the GC community. By belong I use this in the looses sense of the word possible (a bit like the EVKAF sites and mosques in the south 'belong' to TC community).

Yes, I agree. I have seen nothing to indicate what 'hotel' in this instance actually means, but some acknowledgement of where the buildings are should be built into the plans. Swimming pools and discos should be a no-no, and the Orthodox Church must have a say.