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Postby G.Man » Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:15 pm

They are loud when they talk to each other, noisy in general, spoilt, arrogant, proud, childish, self-centered, unable to properly disipline their children, and all the rest that would characterise a culturally inferior people. I my self have many times felt ashamed to the thought that I come from the same country as them, especially if and when I was caught in public places among such people.


Heaven forbid...

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Postby Kifeas » Sat Oct 28, 2006 12:40 pm

G.Man wrote:
They are loud when they talk to each other, noisy in general, spoilt, arrogant, proud, childish, self-centered, unable to properly disipline their children, and all the rest that would characterise a culturally inferior people. I my self have many times felt ashamed to the thought that I come from the same country as them, especially if and when I was caught in public places among such people.


Heaven forbid...

:lol:


God forbit what?

Nevertheless, I have to say that similar attitudes are not observed to such extent when Cypriots visit London (and they do a lot,) nor when they are in Cyprus, except when they are in and around football stadiums or "panairka." It must the Cypriot psychology of the pack! When they are alone or in small groups of 2-3 people, they are a much different type of people. When they in groups, you just want to run away from the scene as its view is unbearable.
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Postby chrisp » Sun Oct 29, 2006 2:36 pm

i'm answering without knowing full facts here, and therefore apologise if i am talking out of text.

from reports i have heard, it is the greeks from greece who are mainly to blame with the war with the turks., seems they demanded, promised but as usual no follow through.

unfortunately, we have had some business dealings with the grecians and have found them to be totally manipulative, cunning and devious.
i appreciate everyone is out to make a living, but it doesn't have to be a killing, and certainly not cheating people out of their homes.
i don't think we should worry about what 'they' think of us, i think we should just ignore them- thats what they deserve.
so sad but true, basically the same people but hopefully miles apart.

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Postby miltiades » Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:03 pm

CRISP WROTE ABOUT THE GREEKS :

""unfortunately, we have had some business dealings with the grecians and have found them to be totally manipulative, cunning and devious""

You are not kidding !!! Beware of Greeks bearing what ?? They will take your coat off your back , they are by nature inferior to the Cypriots and they make up by being what they are. We share a language and a religion and so do the Australians , New Zealanders , Canadians , Americans and dont forget the Jamaicans !

They treat the less well off like shit , they are arrogant self centered full of bullshit . There are exemptions and I humbly apologise to the decent Greeks , mostly working class , after all Im saying what most Greeks say about the Greeks !!!
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Postby Simon » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:54 pm

I have met and known many Greeks and they are not as you guys say. The ones I know regard Cypriots as the 'wealthy Greeks.' All this anti-Greek rubbish really is pathetic. It is usually the same people who jump on the 'Greek bandwagon' when Greece won Euro 2004, hosted the Olympic Games successfully, won the European Basketball Championships, also coming second in the world, etc. :roll: Greece is Cyprus' best ally in this world, whether you like it or not, so maybe we should be a little more supportive of them.

Miltiades, you kind of confuse me. :? In one thread you call yourself Greek, albeit emphasising you are Cypriot first, yet in another you seem to be completely separating yourself from anything Greek. I may have misunderstood, but your posts can be slightly contradictory at times.

"Greeks are by nature inferior to Cypriots." ??? I hope you realise how ridiculous that sounds. I suppose it's in their genes. :roll: I'm kind of sensing that a Greek has tried to con you in the past. Is this where this anger and hatred comes from?
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Postby Simon » Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:12 pm

By the way, I think as this report from Cyprus Mail shows, we share much more than 'just a language and religion.'

[quote]Marking a famous ‘ochi’
By Constantine Markides

GREEK Cypriot students took to the streets en masse yesterday in celebration of Ochi day, which commemorates Greek dictator Ioannis Metaxas’ rejection of an ultimatum put to him by Italian dictator Benito Mussolini on October 28, 1940.

The ultimatum demanded Greece to either permit Axis forces to enter Greek territory and occupy unspecified “strategic locations” or else face war. Metaxas is said to have at once responded with the single word ‘ochi’ – ‘no’ – which the Greek population then echoed by immediately taking to the streets and shouting out his reply.

Police yesterday morning cordoned off a large area of downtown Nicosia, through which students from private and public schools marched to drumbeats, bearing the flags of Greece and Cyprus.

Though not marching with straight legs in the notorious style of the goosestep – which George Orwell referred to in a 1941 essay as an “affirmation of naked power” that consciously and intentionally contains “the vision of a boot crashing down on a face” – the students did nonetheless march with rigid outflung arms that ironically bore some resemblance, albeit in a less disciplined version, to the marching style of the Italian troops that Greece managed to repel.

One parent watching the parade told the Cyprus Mail that his two sons had marched in the parade for the last seven years, and said that since only the top students from each school participated, it was seen as a great honour if they were selected for the march.

Though the main parade and ceremony was in Nicosia, World War II veterans, former EOKA fighters, secondary school pupils, university students, boy scouts and members of various organisations also marched in parades in other cities.

Attending yesterday’s parade was President Tassos Papadopoulos, Acting Primate of the Cyprus Church Paphos Bishop Chrysostomos, Greek Ambassador Demetrios Rallis, House President Demetris Christofias, Chief of Staff Lieutenant General Constantinos Bisbikas, and a number of other political and military officials.

Papadopoulos said that those who fought against the Axis forces in 1940 “fought for their homeland, for freedom, and against fascism”.

Yesterday was a day for high oratory on the Hellenist spirit. Speaking at Ayios Ioannou church in Nicosia, newly elected DIKO president Marios Karoyian said that Hellenism had “managed to teach the entire world that the country that birthed democracy was the country that was willing and first to safeguard the interests not only of the Greek people but also of mankind.”

It was also an opportunity for politicians to pontificate on the Cyprus problem and draw associations between Metaxas’ response to Italy and Cyprus’ potential veto of Turkey’s accession to the EU.

EDEK president Yiannakis Omirou said that Turkey must meet its obligations towards Cyprus, enshrined on October 3, 2005 with the opening of its accession course, “or else there is only one answer that Cyprus and Greece should give, and that is a ‘No’ to the continuation of Turkey’s accession course.”

Acting DIKO head Nicos Cleanthous – in a speech on the “the honour and the dignity and the spilling of blood” given by “Mother Country” Greece – took the association one step further, suggesting that the Greek Cypriot rejection of the Annan Plan was as noble as that of the Greece’s refusal to submit to Italian fascism.

“With the ‘No’ of April 25, Cypriot Hellenism defended – just as the Panhellenes did on October 28, 1940 – their national, individual, and collective dignity.”

Metaxas’ alleged one-word response in 1940 to the ultimatum might in fact be a national legend, as many scholars claim the actual response was the French phrase “Alors c’est la guerre” (‘Then it is war’).

Whatever the actual response, with the rejection of the ultimatum, Italy invaded Greece with 20,000 Italian troops that same morning, marking the beginning of Greece’s participation in World War II. Mussolini expected an easy victory, but the Greek army proved more battle-worthy than the Italians anticipated and Greece expelled the Italians, driving them back into Albania.[/quote]
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Postby Ascot » Sun Oct 29, 2006 6:56 pm

I believe the Greeks look at Cypriots as a privileged due to the English Influence that is still so evident here even after almost 50 years of independence and the invasion of the "greekness" since the 1980's
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Postby GorillaGal » Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:35 pm

I can't believe this discussion. It is giving me a knot in my stomach.
I am american, and i have been watching this message board for a couple of months now, after having fallen for a GC. As many of you know, he returned to Cyprus, and I have dated a bit, including two Greeks. I asked them about the the relationship between the two countries, and they both agreed that the GC seem to think of themselves as better than the Greeks.
But here we are, having this discussion, when on several occasions, I have read very anti-american things on this board. OK, i can see you all hating our present leadership. Not all of us voted for George W. I myself HATE him.
Likewise I read all about the ant-TC, and the anti-British sentiments coming from the Cypriots.
I have learned how closed the Cypriots are towards outsiders of any kind.
Does it surprise you that the Greeks think the Cypriots are stuck up?
And WHY, pray tell, does a birth certificate have to matter?
I would have married my GC if he had asked. I took good care of him, and he, me. But like many of you, he HAS to marry a Cypriot.
And now you are concerned about what other countries think of you?
I don't get it.
And certain people call ME a hypocrit?
I am at a loss for words.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Oct 29, 2006 7:42 pm

SIMON , I said the following and I will defend what I said

"""Greeks are by nature inferior to Cypriots." ??? I hope you realise how ridiculous that sounds. I suppose it's in their genes. I'm kind of sensing that a Greek has tried to con you in the past. Is this where this anger and hatred comes from?"""

My" Greekness " allows me to criticize the Greeks . What appears contradictory to you I will try and clarify. Yes I'm a Cypriot Greek , just as there are Cypriot Armenians , Cypriot Turks and the currently evolving Cypriot Russians etc etc.

I consider the wealthy Greeks to be the most acutely perverted manipulators and the most uncaring people I have ever met. I support Greece when participating in an event such as Football , Olymbic games etc etc. It is a natural inclanation that all Hellenes will sucuumb to , I draw the line however if the opponent was a Cypriot , either Greek , Turk , Armenian Russian etc etc.

I do not hate Greece or the Greeks , I speak the truth as I see it base on my personal experience which goes back to my student days in London where a lot of interaction took place between the Cypriot Greeks and the Greeks. Most of my peers were initialy taken in by the smooth talking self centred Greeks until we grew in stature and realized that we lacked the ability to converse in as good a Greek as they did , a fact that was obvious in those years since we had very little , in fact practicaly non existent contact with the Greeks way bachk in the 50s.

I maintain contact with some old friends from Salonika , I cant say we asee eye to eye as far as the political scene is concerned but at least they know where I stand along with thousands of other Cypriots who have become independent of the Greek- from Greece - influence.

My children were brought up as Anglo Cypriot Greeks , were christened in Church , I was married in Church contrary to my religious denial .

I hold the Greeks responsible for a large part of our islands troubles and misery of the past. I reiterate I have no hatred for the Greeks as you tend to think . I have done business in the past and had to be on my guard the entire time.

I first went to Athens in 1966 on a holiday witth my wife , later to be , loved and adored the place the Parthenon filled me with pride and admiration and returned for my honeymoon a year later . Since then have visited many times but I no longer visit or holiday in Greece having discoverd quite a few years ago the PARADISE on earth , and you can guess which is.
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Postby miltiades » Sun Oct 29, 2006 8:11 pm

GorillaGal, Wrote:
""I would have married my GC if he had asked. I took good care of him, and he, me. But like many of you, he HAS to marry a Cypriot.
And now you are concerned about what other countries think of you? """

When in 1967 I married my English wife there was indeed some efforts by my late father to dissuade me from doing so. I went ahead and married her just as my older brother had married his English wife 4 years earlier.

I'm still with my wife some 40 years later and so is my brother with his.

We do not have to marry Cypriots , we rather like to think that its best to but doesn't always follow. Here is an admission. My daughter born and raised in the UK , spoke no Greek , met and married a Cypriot in Cyprus , and made me extremely happy , ( I nurtured a dream that my daughter would marry a Cypriot ) the fact that not only is he a Cypriot but also a Pafitis !! My son has "married " an English girl and I adore her.
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