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Postby cypezokyli » Sun Oct 29, 2006 3:40 pm

Piratis wrote:And how any of the above has anything to do with the Greek Cypriots that were used in the Turkish Laboratories? Does Drousitoris prove this claim as wrong, or is he trying to discredit the organization that made this claim simply because if true such thing would hurt the interests of those that finance him?

To the questions that you are asking me "true or false", personally I don't care since they have nothing to do with the particular case. However how do you know if they are all true?

Were I proved him wrong is on subjects that I do know about, but for you those were details, as apparently Drousitoris is allowed not be 100% factual, while if others make some mistakes it means that everything they ever wrote about should be necessarily false.

No Analyst is ever 100% correct. Are you saying that because an analyst (who is writing for 15+ years) was wrong in some of his predictions it means that all facts he ever wrote about are false?? Don't you ask yourself why his reports are quoted in so many books, including publications by the US Congress?

Drousitis has simply made an attempt to discredit the person, NOT to prove his findings as wrong. And we all know very well what motivated him to do so.


piratis on the report from ICG
This is a 100% one sided pro American pro Turkish and anti Greek Cypriot report.

They adopt the UK/US policy in Cyprus to the letter.

No need to comment more.

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This and similar reports are ordered by the American government in order to be used as an excuse for their policies in Cyprus.


http://www.cyprus-forum.com/viewtopic.p ... icg+report

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Postby Piratis » Sun Oct 29, 2006 5:10 pm

So whats your point cypezokyli? The ICG report was about policies, not about facts.

And why do you accept the pro Turkish reports and reject the anti Turkish ones? (we already know why Drousiotis does it) As if we have any doubts that Turks are capable of such things. We have witnessed much worst atrocities from them here in Cyprus.

The only question is: Have the Turks managed to hide such crimes good enough or not? Apparently not good enough so info about them will not leak, but hopefully for them nobody will have video of the atrocities to actually prove them beyond any doubt. But maybe you and Drousiotis would not be convinced even with a video anyways.
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Oct 29, 2006 10:02 pm

This is what Patroklos had to say on the matter:

"WASHINGTON-BASED super-journalist Michalis Ignatiou has struck again with another myth, packaged as an authoritative news-story. His latest mega-scoop alleged that Greeks and Greek Cypriots missing since 1974 had been used human guinea pigs for the testing of chemical weapons by the Turkish military, between 1984 and ’88.

This was the lead story on the Mega TV news a week last Saturday and in Phileleftheros the following day. The self-important Ignatiou also appeared on a radio show to talk about his shocking findings the next morning. There was about as much evidence to back these revelations as there was for his claims that many millions of bucks had been paid to Greek Cypriots by the Yanks during the referendum.

The source of the mega-scoop was an American nutcase conspiracy theorist by the name of Gregory Copley, who runs a US-based joke of an organisation called the ‘International Strategic Studies Association’ that nobody with half a brain would take seriously. The Association publishes a journal, Defense and Foreign Affairs Strategy Policy, which even those with no brain would not take seriously.

Ignatiou, on the other hand, has a fully operating whole brain, so why did he take Copley’s claims seriously, causing unnecessary distress to the relatives of the missing. Had these unfortunate people not suffered enough over the last 32 years without having to be served with more unsubstantiated claims guaranteed to cause anguish and pain?

Copley admitted he had no concrete evidence to back his guinea pig claims, so why did Ignatiou feel obliged to report them insist that they had been confirmed. The two points his allegations were trying to make – that the Turks are bloodthirsty barbarians capable of all types of savagery and that Ignatiou is the greatest journalist ever produced by Cyprus – have already been proved beyond reasonable doubt. So why cause pain to the relatives of the missing by repeating them?

GREGORY Copley is a darling of our Ethnarch’s government, with several of his articles posted on the website of our embassy in Washington. One internet writer, said “the ISSA is an archconservative US group providing conspiracy theories and thwarted strategic analyses to those wanting this input.”

The same writer described Copley, as “a self-styled ‘strategic analyst’ whose favourite projects include downplaying Serbian slaughtering of Muslims in the Yugoslavian war and maximising the security threat against the United States by Islamist groups and the axis of evil.”

The most recent predictions by ISSA’s Defense and Foreign Affairs Strategic Policy journal was that there would have been a regional crisis last September extending from the Aegean to north Kurdistan. The August 2006 issue of the rag spoke of an attack by Turkey on northern Iraq on September 10 and a “settling of accounts with Greece and Cyprus”. There was also a possibility that Turkey would attack Greece to end Greek control of the Aegean Sea. It suffices to say that today is October 29 and none of the great strategic analyst’s predictions have materialised.

Copley may be a nutcase, but he has quite a following among our intelligentsia. Apart from Ignatiou, the President of the American Hellenic Institute Gene Rossides is also a great fan, describing the ISSA journal as “highly authoritative”. He had invited Copley to attend several of the Institute’s seminars, at which the great man spoke about his conspiracy theories.

Another fan of Copley’s is the Director General of the Intercollege Reasearch department, Professor Dr Andreas Theophanous, whose picture attending an ISSA seminar is featured on the Association’s website. I think enough said".
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Postby Bananiot » Sun Oct 29, 2006 11:23 pm

For Greek readers, an interesting article by Someritis, in the Athenian "To Vima".

http://tovima.dolnet.gr/print_article.p ... m=A16&aa=2
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Postby Sotos » Mon Oct 30, 2006 2:39 am

Who is Patroklos? He goes only by his first name? Is this Patroclos so important and people like university professors are not? :? Maybe they are right but the pro Turkey journalists can not be trusted. They always support Turkey. We have to wait and see what reliable sources will say before we come to any conclusions. This is a very serious matter to just take the word of some Patroklos!
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Postby Sotos » Mon Nov 06, 2006 12:47 pm

Allegations of Turkish testing of biological weapons on Greek Cypriot

prisoners to be examined by EU, UN Angelos Marcopoulos reports from Strasbourg

THIS week's allegations that Turkey has been using Greek Cypriot prisoners listed as missing to conduct biochemical weapons tests will most probably be raised before the EU parliament in the coming days as well as during a special United Nations conference on biological weapons due in Geneva later in the month.

This was revealed to The Cyprus Weekly by Pier Millet, the UN official in charge of the Biological Weapons Convention.

Millet said all UN member states have an obligation to inform the Biological Weapons Conference (BWC) on involvement in biological weapons issues, and to cooperate to clear up any ambiguities.

"Moreover, a legally-binding obligation also emanates from Article 5 of the BWC ,which asks all member states to cooperate with each other to alleviate any allegations or ambiguities" Millet said.

"These allegations may constitute breaches of the Biological Weapons Convention and should be investigated by an international mechanism at the disposal of the U.N. Secretary-General,'' Millet added.

He added that Turkey had submitted some statements in the past, "but most of them do not seem to be comprehensive reports, contrary to the obligation imposed by the UN Biological Weapons Treaty system to submit all relevant information."

Turkey has been criticised by international NGOs for its refusal to publish an annual report on its activities concerning biochemical weapons.

One of the criticisms was a report by the 'Sunshine Project,' an NGO backed by Greenpeace, entitled ``A Survey of BioChemical Weapons and Related Research in Turkey."

The report said: "To counter suspicions about the nature, extent and objective of its activities related to biowarfare agents, the Turkish government must uphold its obligation under the BWC and publish annually comprehensive information about its biodefence activities. In its annual declarations to the U.N. under the Biological Weapons Convention, Turkey has declared that it has no biodefense program at all. But information obtained through open sources indicates that this is not true. In fact, Turkey's major military hospital, the Gulhane Military Medical Academy (GATA) has a special department for defense research and development activities, including biological defense.

"The exact nature and extent of the biodefense work at GATA is unclear.''
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