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[Simon]

I'm in agreement with you Piratis.

[Bananiot]

Piratis, I do not try to defame your protege. He does fine by himself. Are you questioning now what he wrote? Its all there, in writing, in his own paper called "Kyrikas".

By the way, did you know that he took part in a road race and he came 6th despite the fact he was running by himself? Even with his wife, he came second.

[Pyrpolizer]

I realise that the culture of south of the island is predominantly Greek but I have wondered for a while whether DNA testing has yet to show what percentage of Greek genes are found in the average so called Greek Cypriot.

Does anyone know?

I will tell you as soon as you tell me which of the human chromosomes are the Greek ones.

[Noaxetogrind]

Pirates,I cannot agree that language and culture make you Greek. On this basis New Zealanders and Welsh, for instance, are Englsh.

Of course I am aware that in Europe the average Englishman has the blood of more nations and tribes in his veins than anywhere else in the continent and believe this mix has been a great factor in the strength and success the country, with the remainder of Britain, had in forming an empire covering approximately one third of the world's population. This mix continues unabated with people from every country in the world now living here. Greek Cypriots are no exception with marriages to English partners being far from uncommon and British soldiers now bearing Greek surnames. My mother, for instance was born in Belgium

You seem to have taken a defensive approach to a simple question. DNA testing here in England is coming up with interesting facts about our bloodlines and our roots . Such facts give us nothing to be ashamed of but it appears from your response that you may be worried that results in Cyprus may not be to your liking.

At least, unlike nearly every other topic on this forum it has not taken a Greek Cypriot anti-Turkish or Turkish Cypriot anti-Greek bias.

My question was purely one of interest and whilst I did not have it in mind ,when I posted the original question ,I wonder if entrenched cross community attitudes of hate that come across to an outsider
would be tempered if results were to show Turkish blood in the majority of Greek Cypriots and vice versa Turkish Cypriots.

[cypezokyli]

yes Noaxetogrind, such tests appear from time to time , and they have shown that the gc DNA is closer to the tc DNA, than to the greek one, and that the tc DNA is closer to the gc , than to the turkish one.

[Piratis]

Pirates,I cannot agree that language and culture make you Greek. On this basis New Zealanders and Welsh, for instance, are Englsh.

And what you argue is that your genes make you English? In that case the people in some remote areas of NZ are more English than most English in the UK.
New Zealand even has the UK flag as part of its own flag. I don't think you would complain for that, right?

You seem to have taken a defensive approach to a simple question. DNA testing here in England is coming up with interesting facts about our bloodlines and our roots . Such facts give us nothing to be ashamed of but it appears from your response that you may be worried that results in Cyprus may not be to your liking.

Why not? If you take a Cypriot, a Cretan, a Rhodian and an Athenian the differences in their DNA would be less than if you compare 4 random British people. Did you ever question of how British those people are based on their DNA? If not, then why you are questioning the "Geekness" of Greek Cypriots?

In many occasions a compatible donor for a transplant in Greece was found in Cyprus and vice versa. (the same happened between GCs and TCs)

My question was purely one of interest and whilst I did not have it in mind ,when I posted the original question ,I wonder if entrenched cross community attitudes of hate that come across to an outsider
would be tempered if results were to show Turkish blood in the majority of Greek Cypriots and vice versa Turkish Cypriots.

Christians and Muslims didn't mix much back then (they hardly mix now). However many Christians (GCs) adopted Islam during the era of Ottoman rule since Muslims were treated better, paid less taxes etc.
Still obviously some "Turkish blood" exists withing GCs, but much more "GC blood" exists within TCs. Hence the results of the research cypezokyli is talking about, and why the mother tongue of some old TCs (grandparents now) is Greek and not Turkish.

However I think there is no point in talking about "Greek genes", "Turkish genes" etc. If you take the Turks for example, the original Turks were Asian originating from somewhere in Mongolia. (with the characteristic eyes etc). When they came to our areas they mixed with Kurds, Greeks, Romans etc. So in this case it will be hard to find many "Turkish genes" even among Turks themselves.

[unique_earthling]

Done this one, noaxetogrind, i now dont bother much with this lot, they are so defensive and biggotted, they are not worth my time.. They love to be victims thats what gives them their identity, the CY problem.. without it they wouldnt have one.. Even Europe is getting fed up with them, and all those that are not wrapped up in it, just yawn every time the subject arises.. Most of those that arnt GC's have left this site, to let them moan forever together till they die and the next generation carry on with it.. Personally i believe Europe with end up allowing the North into the EU and let the GC's get on with their living in the past. I would bet my life on the fact they wont get the north back, and they will have wasted over 30 years of moaning about it..

[Strahd]

Done this one, noaxetogrind, i now dont bother much with this lot, they are so defensive and biggotted, they are not worth my time.. They love to be victims thats what gives them their identity, the CY problem.. without it they wouldnt have one.. Even Europe is getting fed up with them, and all those that are not wrapped up in it, just yawn every time the subject arises.. Most of those that arnt GC's have left this site, to let them moan forever together till they die and the next generation carry on with it.. Personally i believe Europe with end up allowing the North into the EU and let the GC's get on with their living in the past. I would bet my life on the fact they wont get the north back, and they will have wasted over 30 years of moaning about it..

That is a relief...

Enjoy your little haven in the military occuppied areas of the republic of Cyprus while there is still time...

[Kikapu]

What the hell are you all on about. English Genes, Greek Genes, Turkish Genes, Spanish Genes, Italian Genes and lets not forget Levi's Jeans.! You all make it sound like we are all different Human Beings, created by God with our separate label tags.

We are all the same. We are all the same except where we differ due to location. Millions of years of evolution has created who we are. We have changed to conform to the local environment, to adapt to the conditions. Therefore, the weather, vegetation, and diet conditions of the Mediterranean region has given us more or less the same "Genes" because of our environment being the same. We don't need to DNA test ourselves to prove anything. There's nothing to prove.

Until Humans can mate with another primates or another "look alike" creature from out of Space, we are all the same, beneath the skin, and where we look different on the outside, only gives away from which region of the world we have developed our features. Even this "separation" of regions will disappear with time, due to mixing of "Genes" from all regions.

Bottom line, we are all the same, because ( and just to appease the religious forum members) we all came from Adam & Eve.!! But for me and others, we have just evolved into our environment, as the world changed due to the movement of the "Continental Shelf". So, if there are to be slight variations in "Genes" from one person to another, it has nothing to do with their Nationality, but rather which regions of the world they're from "originally".

[Alexis]

We are all the same. We are all the same except where we differ due to location. Millions of years of evolution has created who we are. We have changed to conform to the local environment, to adapt to the conditions. Therefore, the weather, vegetation, and diet conditions of the Mediterranean region has given us more or less the same "Genes" because of our environment being the same. We don't need to DNA test ourselves to prove anything. There's nothing to prove.

Well said Kikapu, we are human being first and foremost that is what counts. Genetic analysis proves nothing unless of course you are a Nazi who wants evidence for the existence of some kind of 'master race'.
N.B: Not calling anyone on this forum a Nazi.