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[pitsilos]

yes you are rotting the turkish way, even blind freddy can see this, but i guess the propaganda machine has no bounds.

[andreasv]

My God, everytime there,s more demands on both sides. You ain't never gonna solve this problem because both sides are immature and against any solution.

Now it' s the aiport .... They had to built it somewhere. Since Turkey is occupying Nicosia aiport. Likewise many Cypriots of Turkish background, had to built or live in property owned by Greek Speaking Cypriots. ( distinguish between Greek Speaking as oposed to identifying as Greek. Greek's ans Cypriots are quite different in what one may refer to as culture).

The way forward is to accept part of the Annan Plan of bicomunal/ bi-zonal unification. However, evry Cypriot ought to be given the opportunity to return to their homes, properties and villages within 3 years. Those who choose not to return ought to be given the right to relinquish their properties to the Cyprus government for market value compensation which in turn the State can sell the land to Cypriots only (not Brit's, German's etc etc.)

People's whose land has been used by Cyprus to build public works will also be compensated market value at the time the public work was completed. That would mean compensation for Cypriots whose land was used for Larnaca, Paphos and ercan airports, Land that Refugees estates have been built upon and other commonly used facilities such as hospitals, government buildings etc.

All settlers to be given 3 years to leave Cyprus and be compensated by both Cyprus and Turkey to purchase properties in Turkey. Those settlers who have connections with Cypriots of Turkish background will take their situation to the appropriate department for citizenship. This will need to be thought of consderably and the appropriate body will be made Cypriots and other EU States officials and lay persons.

Infrastructure will be built according to persons per square kilometre/ mile - whatever and of course with anticipation of population increases at any given location.

All Cypriots will get to enjoy the benefits of all aiports or you may even think of downsising, all Cypriots will enjoy the benefits of hospitals, supermrkets, schools etc etc etc.

Cyprus education ought to be mixed, with children being taught both languages till year ten and hopefully by the end of High School every child will be completing both languages anyway because integration and the thirst for earning will be the primary focus of the Islant's people. Religion ought not to be taught at School but respect for people's religion ought to be a goal that every Cypriot aspires to. Respect is the Key the Varosha and Ercan airport unfortunately are not. Sorry.

You want a solution start thinking about coming together not moving apart. Remember, the Cypriot people are in the position they are today because Britain, Greece and Turkey would have benefited and have benefited in many different covert ways by separating you. When you UNITE as Cypriots not Greek Cypriots and Not Turkish Cypriots then and only then will you have a United Cyprus, then and only then you will be one people's ...... neither is a child of a lesser God. (great movie I highly recommend it .... but what a great tittle more importantly). Thank you and Good night. Andreas

[souroul]

gfy


who the f do you think you are, who do you represent how dare you still throw insults around ?
with dickheads like you about - forget it -you stay crying on your side. drowning in your tears and hatred.

prehistoric peasant my ars - you are the prehistoric peasant.

ahahaha. i told you. i will stay on my side and i will cry, but only if you keep rotting on my family's land. its a fair tradeoff. i provide the land, you rot on it. i will work hard all my life only to go buy more land and invite you and your likes to rot on.

i throw insults around because the BS you say and stand by.
oh and we both know who's more of a peasant , i wont even talk about that.

[souroul]

andreas are you kidding me? have you seen the annan plan? 50% of the government goes to 15% of the population. and more than half GC land never goes back to their lawfull owners.

fuck that. give them the 17% that they legally own and build the great wall of cyprus around them.

[stuballstu]

andreas are you kidding me? have you seen the annan plan? 50% of the government goes to 15% of the population. and more than half GC land never goes back to their lawfull owners.

fuck that. give them the 17% that they legally own and build the great wall of cyprus around them

There is a great proposal, very sensible, why has no one else thought of that?

Would the wall keep the TC's in or the GC's out? So after 32 years this is your solutions to the Cyprus problem? Very good Suroul!

Andreas

Welcome to the site. Good post.

[andreasv]

I am beginning to believe that neither side is wanting to solve the political problem faced by Cyprus. So long as Cyriots choose to identify as Greek Cypriots or Turkish Cypriots the Cyprus problem will remain a dilema. I was really disappointed to see the other day that in celebrations of ochi that the Greek flags were flying. It would be nice to think that Cyprus has reched a maturity that it does not have the need to identify as neither Greek nor Turkish.

I would have hoped that with Cyprus' accession to the EU neither side would depend on the bigger powers to be and unity in a fair and equitable manner that all Cypriots would benefit.

The solution lies with the Cypriot people and not the governments of Greece, Turkey and mostly the United States and UK. It is without doubt that Cypriots living in the North of Cyprus are to some degree disadvantaged by the current situation. However they are disadvantaged not because of their Cypriot brothers and sisters but by the Turkish, US and UK governments.

If the Cypriot people wish to unite they could be living together in unity within three years.

I hear the arguments that Paphos & Larnaca aiports may have been built on northern Cypriots land. I guess the aiport had to be built somewhere given that Turkey occupies the Nicosia aiport. likewise I am sure the Ercan aiport is built on land that Cypriots living in the north possibly owned. Likewise Cypriots who moved to the north after 1974 have occupied homes of the refugees to the South. They had to live somewhere. Similarly some properties belonging to those Cypriots now living in the north have been occupied by Cypriots who were forced out of their homes to move to the South.

A fair solution would be a bicommunal / bizonal federation if you so want. Where all Cypriots are given the opportunity to return to their properties, homes and villages. Those who do not wish to do so may sell their land to the state at current market value and the state can then sell that property at current market value to Cypriots only.

The settlers can be dealth with by a neutral committee on individual basis. Depending on their situation. I am sure there would have been some inter-marriages between Cypriots living in the north and settlers. many families would be affected by this. In these circumstances perhaps those settlers can stay. Those settlers who do not meet any criteria ought to move back to turkey with the turkish government taking responsibility for their accommodation needs and employement opportunities.

Once you have united and your accommodation and employmet issues have been wrked out then perhaps Cyprus governemnet can invest in cultural, educational and social capital where all Cypriots are encouraged to live in peace and harmony. Where children are taught both languages at schools till year 10. Then hopefully by the time they are ready to graduate all student would speak flent Turkish and Greek and as a nation you could be proud of your achievements.

I am sure if you trully looked at the similarities you probably have more as Cypriots than some Cypriots have with Greeks and some with Turks.

Religion can be left out of schools and each Cypriot ought to be encourged to appreciate and respect the difference rather than fear and devalue. With the advent of the internet and hence the world becoming smaller, new religions have been intorduced to societies and many differnet values have evolved. I am sure that yur God is the same and when you understand that peace will come to Cyprus.

I know what I am suggesting here may be a little progessive but please try and understand that the truth is over the past 30 years both sides have sufferred now it is time for all Cypriots to benefit. Multiculturalism has worked in many other countries I am sure it can work in Cyprus. All Cypriots can learn from each other. I wish that when I was a young child growing in Cyprus that I was taught Turkish at school, it is such a beautiful language that I feel I missed out by not learning it. Now as an Australian my only yearning is to see a united Cyprus. I remember as a child going with my family to the Paphos area to pick "kapari" and seeing abandoned villages left to decay. I was thinking how sad that was, that their inhabitants left to go north and similarly I couldn't comprehend that I could not visit the town I spent my first 5 years at "Xeros". But I do remember visiting our Turkish speaking friend in Xeros often as she had always lollies to give us and tell us stories.

On that note I would encourage all Cypriots now living in the north to apply to the Cyprot government for a gradual return to their homes and villages in the south and pledge to the TRNC government to allow Cypriots living in the south to return to their homes and properties and for the EU to assist in the development of a government representative of all Cypriots, including maronites, Buddhists, Jews and other Cypriots.

Thank you for taking time to read my post.

Andreas

[Bill]

I was really disappointed to see the other day that in celebrations of ochi that the Greek flags were flying. It would be nice to think that Cyprus has reched a maturity that it does not have the need to identify as neither Greek nor Turkish.

Andreas

Wouldn't it be wonderful -- the population of Cyprus waving the flag of Cyprus --- It's a dream really but you never know dreams sometimes come true

[Bill]

. It is without doubt that Cypriots living in the North of Cyprus are to some degree disadvantaged by the current situation.

Andreas

Not half as much disadvantaged as the Greek Cypriots living in the North.

[Bill]

. It is without doubt that Cypriots living in the North of Cyprus are to some degree disadvantaged by the current situation.

Andreas

Not half as much disadvantaged as the Greek Cypriots living in the North.

OOPS !!! sorry double posted

[zan]

gfy


who the f do you think you are, who do you represent how dare you still throw insults around ?
with dickheads like you about - forget it -you stay crying on your side. drowning in your tears and hatred.

prehistoric peasant my ars - you are the prehistoric peasant.

ahahaha. i told you. i will stay on my side and i will cry, but only if you keep rotting on my family's land. its a fair tradeoff. i provide the land, you rot on it. i will work hard all my life only to go buy more land and invite you and your likes to rot on.

i throw insults around because the BS you say and stand by.
oh and we both know who's more of a peasant , i wont even talk about that.

Could you make mine a piece of land on a remote mountain please with a lovely view of the sea in the distance. AH! I can smell those pine trees now.