Cyprus-Forum.com

[Kifeas]

I agree with Simon. The new SG cannot be so foolish to make such a statement.

Back to the crunch of the matter, the infamous Annan Plan was the closest to a solution. Now we are very far from it and personally I have no hope left. The current line of division will be permanent with very minor changes like Varosha. In the next five years I expect Turkey to distance herself from EU, eventually end the Customs Union and go her way and forget Cyprus.
ismet

What do you mean the Annan plan was the "closest" to a solution?

How can something that was so overwhelmingly rejected by one side, to be regarded (branded) as the "closest" to a solution?

[miltiades]

ELCO WROTE

""Back to the crunch of the matter, the infamous Annan Plan was the closest to a solution. Now we are very far from it and personally I have no hope left. The current line of division will be permanent with very minor changes like Varosha. In the next five years I expect Turkey to distance herself from EU, eventually end the Customs Union and go her way and forget Cyprus. ""

My dear friend with all due respect any solution to our mutual problem in our beloved Cyprus must have the unequivocal support of the majority of the Cypriot people. I opposed the A.P on the grounds that it masquarated under the guise of a re unification solution when it was nothing of the sort .

May I suggest that you study again , as I'm sure you already have , the passages in the Plan concerning the Police stations hoisting Greek and Turkish Flags in our Cyprus . Also pay attention to the divisions envisaged in the plan as regards the roads of our Island.The Plan was a minefield and had it been accepted it would have spelt the end of Cyprus as one unit as one independent nation.
You , I'm certain have formulated an opinion concerning most of the regular posties on the forum , I would like to think that I'm included and that my credentials as a Cypriot are beyond doubt.

[elko]

I am not saying that the Annan plan was perfect, far from it but it was the nearest we ever got to a solution. Now I do not expect a solution, the problem will drift on and the big powers will try to make the most of it. It suits the big powers to keep it simmering and the Cypriots on both sides will be the losers.
Now the British have their bases, don't be surprised if the Americans soon get their own bases in the north and then it will be the turn of the French for a base in Paphos.
This is big politics, nobody really cares about Cyprus. Cypriots are simply pawns in a big game.
ismet

[Kifeas]

I am not saying that the Annan plan was perfect, far from it but it was the nearest we ever got to a solution. Now I do not expect a solution, the problem will drift on and the big powers will try to make the most of it. It suits the big powers to keep it simmering and the Cypriots on both sides will be the losers.
Now the British have their bases, don't be surprised if the Americans soon get their own bases in the north and then it will be the turn of the French for a base in Paphos.
This is big politics, nobody really cares about Cyprus. Cypriots are simply pawns in a big game.
ismet

Which aspects of the Annan plan were not so good or fair according to you, or the TCs in general?

Do you beilive there were issues in the Annan plan that weren't fair for GCs as well, and which are they?

[zan]

I am not saying that the Annan plan was perfect, far from it but it was the nearest we ever got to a solution. Now I do not expect a solution, the problem will drift on and the big powers will try to make the most of it. It suits the big powers to keep it simmering and the Cypriots on both sides will be the losers.
Now the British have their bases, don't be surprised if the Americans soon get their own bases in the north and then it will be the turn of the French for a base in Paphos.
This is big politics, nobody really cares about Cyprus. Cypriots are simply pawns in a big game.
ismet

Which aspects of the Annan plan were not so good or fair according to you, or the TCs in general?

Do you beilive there were issues in the Annan plan that weren't fair for GCs as well, and which are they?

The Annan plan is dead, long live the TRNC. I wish Turkey goes away and the rest of you so we can get on with our lives. You have torchered and killed us for long enough, leave us alone.

[miltiades]

Zan , I know nothing about you but your last post gave your age away, you are a young man with second hand biased information on events in Cyprus. Reconciliation requires all the people of our Island to apologise to each other for past events shake hands and get on with making Cyprus the Jewell of the world.

You were not around in the 50s and 60s and all your knowledge appears to have derived from unreliable and completely biased sources.

[zan]

Zan , I know nothing about you but your last post gave your age away, you are a young man with second hand biased information on events in Cyprus. Reconciliation requires all the people of our Island to apologise to each other for past events shake hands and get on with making Cyprus the Jewell of the world.

You were not around in the 50s and 60s and all your knowledge appears to have derived from unreliable and completely biased sources.

I was chased out of my country by the threat of EOKA thugs in 1963 and you make too many assumptions. It took forty years for the sound of the bullets in my head to manifest themselves in the form of a depression. My fathers’ land lies smack bang in the middle of the buffer zone and he will not live to see it again. We have given enough.

[miltiades]

Zan , have you ever considered the feelings of 200 thousand of your own people who fled their ancestral homes fearing for their lives and became refugees in their own country ??

Can you or any one else post some substantiated figures showing the number of murdered T/Cs from Jan 1974 to July 15th 1974. The answer is NIL . Does this tell you that there was a widespread massacre of T/Cs by G/Cs ?

You know the answer , lets have your sources of "genocide "

[pantheman]

Oh Zan you poor selfish bastard, its me, me, me, we all have land gone and some of us have died and never saw it either. It takes too to tango (or whatever it is you do in turkey). As for leaving you alone, no, its you who should leave, take away you 40,000 troops, your 150,000+ settlers and the rest of the god damn rubbish you have placed on this land. So please, spare us the sob stories, i can tell you just as many. In fact no one actually wants you, so why don't you just sod off. I've had enough of this cry baby stuff, when it is you who are the aggressors in all of this, commiting all the illegalities.

So, do us all a real big favor and go, today.

Pantheman

[zan]

Zan , have you ever considered the feelings of 200 thousand of your own people who fled their ancestral homes fearing for their lives and became refugees in their own country ??

Can you or any one else post some substantiated figures showing the number of murdered T/Cs from Jan 1974 to July 15th 1974. The answer is NIL . Does this tell you that there was a widespread massacre of T/Cs by G/Cs ?

You know the answer , lets have your sources of "genocide "

Yes I have considered them and I still do and it is these very people that I think of every day. They are just like my father. Little old ladies all dressed in black with broken hearts and lost dreams. It is for them that I want all this to end. Uncertanty is a killer.
I'll play the numbers game if you want, like Piratis does, but where does it get us. We have to move on and just because my view of a settlement differs from yours you think you have the right to dismiss mine as wanting more than I am entitled to. If you are really interested in what I think then I will say to you that I don't think reunification will work in any form. You would say that because you are a Turk, I hear you cry. Then don't listen to me let me rot in the TRNC, all or nothing, pah! If I wanted all then I would be yelling for war whilst we were still strong enough to kick you off the island. I have said it many times that separation is what is needed for the time being. If the future Cypriots want to unite then more power to their elbow. That is my pragmatic approach to the problem, who died and made you guys’ justice of the law. The EU ruled you say. Pah! again. What the EU did was to stop a war. Nothing more nothing less. By sticking you guys in the EU they made sure you could not attack and that Turkey could not attack you, simple. It gave those Lilly liveried spineless chumps some time to work their magic but your government thinks it can bully its way to a full submission.