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Why Turkey Invaded...The Facts...

Postby Kartal_Aetos » Fri Oct 20, 2006 12:35 am

So the story after independence...

Cyprus gained its independence from the U.K. in 1960 after an anti-British campain by the Greek Cypriot EOKA (National Organisation of Cypriot Fighters) a guerrilla group which desired political union with Greece (or enosis). Archbishop Makarios, a charismatic religious and political leader was elected president.

Shortly after the founding of the republic serious differences arose between the two communities about the implementation and interpretation of the constitution. The Greek Cypriots argued that the complex mechanisms introduced to protect Turkish Cypriot interests were obstacles to efficient government. In November 1963 President Makarios advanced a series of constitutional amendments designed to elminate some of these special provisions. The Turkish Cypriots opposed such changes. The confrontation prompted widespread intercommunal fighting in December 1963 after which Turkish Cypriot participation in the central government ceased. UN peacekeepers were deployed on the island in 1964. Following another outbreak of intercommunal violence in 1967-68 a Turkish Cypriot provisional administration was formed.

In July 1974 the military junta in Athens sponsored a coup led by extremist Greek Cypriots hostile to Makarios for his alleged pro-communist leanings and for his perceived abandonment of enosis. Turkey citing the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee intervened militarily to protect Turkish Cypriots.


So, i hope this makes it clear to everyone...and please, let's take note of the facts...

taken from World66.Com, a travel site which includes the histories of nearly all the countries and regions of the world.
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Postby cypezokyli » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:12 am

the above can be considered factually correct, but it cannot really tell as to why turkey invaded, bc it is a matter of interpratation (and not necessarily matter of facts) . facts can lead us only till a specific point, but then it is always matter of interpratation.

ofcource (and here it becomes tricky) that doesnot mean that we move towards the other extreme. interpratation without the burden of proof. it is one thing to interpret the same fact in different ways. but it is another to provide an interpratation based on wrong or fabricated facts, just because we need to have two (at least) opinions on each matter.

i hope that doesnt sound confusing :?
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Postby Kartal_Aetos » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:18 am

a little...lol...ok so cypezokyli...you are a respected member of this forum, not only by myself but by many others...how would YOU interpret the facts :)
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Postby Piratis » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:29 am

Kartal_Aetos, there is always a reason and an excuse.

In the case of the 1974 invasion the excuse was the coup. The reason was that Turkey wanted at least part of Cyprus for her own strategic interests, something that was admitted by the Turkish Generals several times.

If this was unclear during the first days of the invasion, it soon became crystal clear. The Turkish invasion not only was not made to restore constitutional order, but it was made to divide Cyprus according to plans that existed since before the 50s. This is why Turkey continues to occupy Cyprus today, 32 years after their excuse has expired (but the real reason - strategic interests - remains unchanged)

During World War II Hitler had also invaded Czechoslovakia with the excuse of supposedly protecting the German minority there.
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Postby Kartal_Aetos » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:37 am

ah, but the thing is the Greeks also tried the same with enosis...it's just that the Greeks failed and Turkey succeeded...I dont see any GC's hating Greece...and come on, they would still be there too...lol...

And like Cypezokyli said, it is the way you interpret it...you interpret that the main reason was strategic interests, but i interpret that strategic interests were always there, but this was not the main reason...the main reason was the protection of the TC community and they had a right to intervene...Its a part of the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee...and they have a right to remain until the TC community on the island are guaranteed wellbeing...so far, they have not been...The only way for us all to live together peacefully is for us to go back to the original RoC constitution without the changes Makarios had proposed...I am all in favour for it and i honestly dont believe there is another way...No turkish soldiers, no nothing...RoC run by Cypriots...both community's safety secured...
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Postby Piratis » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:50 am

the main reason was the protection of the TC community and they had a right to intervene...Its a part of the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee...and they have a right to remain until the TC community on the island are guaranteed wellbeing...so far, they have not been


Here is the Treaty of Gurantee:

Treaty of Guarantee between the Republic of Cyprus and Greece, the United Kingdom and Turkey

The Republic of Cyprus of the one part, and Greece, the United Kingdom and Turkey of the other part:-
I. Considering that the recognition and maintenance of the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus, as established and regulated by the basic articles of its Constitution, are in their common interest;
II. Desiring to co-operate to ensure that the provisions of the aforesaid Constitution shall be respected:
Have agreed as follows:
ARTICLE 1
The Republic of Cyprus undertakes to ensure the maintenance of its independence, territorial integrity and security, as well as respect for its Constitution. It undertakes not to participate, in whole or in part, in any political or economic union with any State whatsoever. With this intent it prohibits all activity tending to promote directly or indirectly either union or partition of the Island.
ARTICLE 2
Greece the United Kingdom and Turkey, taking note of the undertakings by the Republic of Cyprus embodied in Article 1, recognize and guarantee the independence, territorial integrity and security of the Republic of Cyprus, and also the provisions of the basic articles of its Constitution. They likewise undertake to prohibit, as far as lies within their power, all activity having the object of promoting directly or indirectly either the union of the Republic of Cyprus with any other State, or the partition of the Island.
ARTICLE 3
In the event of any breach of the provisions of the present Treaty, Greece, the United Kingdom, and Turkey undertake to consult together, with a view to making representations, or taking the necessary steps to ensure observance of those provisions. In so far as common or concerted action may prove impossible, each of the three guaranteeing Powers reserves the right to take action with the sole aim Of re-establishing the state of affairs established by the present Treaty.
ARTICLE 4
The present Treaty shall enter into force on signature. The High Contracting Parties undertake to register the present Treaty at the earliest possible date with the Secretariat of the United Nations, in accordance vith the provisions of Article 102 of the Chapter.


So Turkey had the right to intervene ONLY to restore the independence and territorial integrity of Cyprus. What they did was the exact opposite grossly violating the Treaty of Guarantee which is explicitly prohibiting partition.

The only way for us all to live together peacefully is for us to go back to the original RoC constitution without the changes Makarios had proposed

I 100% agree with you.

This of course doesn't mean that we should stuck forever with 1960 agreements without a single modification. Things change for the better and all countries should make reforms that would make their systems better. EU for example would require several reforms from a system that is 46 years old.
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Postby Kartal_Aetos » Fri Oct 20, 2006 1:58 am

ah yes...BUT when did any1 suggest going back to the old constitution? no one...Makarios didn't want to go back to the old constitution because enosis is not possible without the changes he proposed...Turkey dont want to go back to the old constitution because they expect a 50:50 power divide between the communities so that no such changes can be made...

and the sad thing about it all is, the people were happy in the first place :|
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Postby Piratis » Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:03 am

Kartal, whenever any GC dared to suggest this he was classed as being not realistic since we know that Turkey would never accept such thing and there is no currently a way to force Turkey to do it.
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Postby Kartal_Aetos » Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:12 am

mate, i havent ever heard of a GC politician suggesting going back to the original constitution...

Im off to bed...gotta take my sister to work in the morning and then head off to uni...piratis, be my guest and keep posting...i'll read it when im back home tomorrow...

But hey, i dont want you to think any of this is anything personally against you...i respect you for standing up for what you believe in and discussing it with me :)
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Postby Piratis » Fri Oct 20, 2006 2:30 am

ate, i havent ever heard of a GC politician suggesting going back to the original constitution...


Some did occasionally but as I told you everybody else told him to shut up since his position was classed as unrealistic!

Im off to bed...gotta take my sister to work in the morning and then head off to uni...piratis, be my guest and keep posting...i'll read it when im back home tomorrow...


Good night Kartal. I should have gone to bed long time ago too!

But hey, i dont want you to think any of this is anything personally against you...i respect you for standing up for what you believe in and discussing it with me


Not only I have nothing personal against you but I even like you. You are a true Cypriot that cares about our country. Thank you for showing respect, and believe me that I fully respect you as well. As I said many times the most important thing is respect. If we have respect for others regardless of their race and ethnic background, everything else will follow.
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