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[Simon]

How can I be way off topic when I commented about the timeline? Kartal, you want me to shut up. Why? To leave you circulating your Turkish bull sh*t. Afraid not. I made a comment on your timeline in case anybody wondered that with so many conquerers, why there are so many Greek Cypriots and not Egyptians, Italians etc.

If your post was to simply show the timeline and nothing else, why have you put it in the 'Cyprus Problem' section? A deeply political part of the forum you muppet lol and you ask me not to fill it with politics.

[Kartal_Aetos]

ok, i tried deleting anything 1974 onwards but it says i gotta wait 45 minutes for another edit so i'll do it in the morning....everyones completely missed the point...lol

[Alexis]

ok, i tried deleting anything 1974 onwards but it says i gotta wait 45 minutes for another edit so i'll do it in the morning....everyones completely missed the point...lol

hi Kartel,

Ok, so what was the point? Simply that we have a rich and troubled history? Noted. I have already aired my views on this particular timeline and website on a previous post so I won't bother airing them here except to say that as a timeline it is 90% just a collection of facts, no problem there. The problems arise with the 10% spin (interpretation) attached to these facts (usually in parentheses) and the facts which are omitted as much as anything else. Otherwise it is important we realise how chequerd Cyprus' history is.

[zan]

Kartal, the timeline is not objective one.

For example what they should put in quotes is the "TRNC" which is the unrecognized illegal state, not RoC. However they are trying to reverse this fact.

Another example is that they talk about "borders" while in fact what divides Cyprus is a cease fire line, not a border.

There are many more points like the above were the time line is intentionally incorrect.

The TRNC is now a valid part of history whether it is recognised or not. It is you that wants to erase the real facts. Future historians and even Greeks that edit wikipedia mention it in all their posts what is your intention I wonder.

[Kartal_Aetos]

How can I be way off topic when I commented about the timeline? Kartal, you want me to shut up. Why? To leave you circulating your Turkish bull sh*t. Afraid not. I made a comment on your timeline in case anybody wondered that with so many conquerers, why there are so many Greek Cypriots and not Egyptians, Italians etc.

If your post was to simply show the timeline and nothing else, why have you put it in the 'Cyprus Problem' section? A deeply political part of the forum you muppet lol and you ask me not to fill it with politics.

You will find that the egyptians are in there at the right dates and so are the italians...BUT, italy was divided into many empires, much like Greece was once upon a time...The italians that were in cyprus? Venetians...go back and read it...you will find much about them...And other empires...You must read it more carefully...You are only seeing what you wanna see

And believe it or not, the cyprus problem is part of the cyprus history...There is no propaganda...It doesn't say this many people killed this many, and the Greeks are bad or the Turks are bad...It is a stupid point you argue anyway...first you were arguing that the culture and what not is mainly hellenic...when you realised that i wasnt actually questioning that and that personally, i 100% agree with you, you try to question the credibility of the timeline...well simon, please, read it carefully and do not make me have to highlight the egyptians, the venetians, the knights, the english, the lusignan and so on just so that you understand what any of these mean...if you do not know about the classical and ancient empires it is not my fault...but i would be pleased to tell you about them if you ask nicely rather than ridicule what is actually a very well written timeline

[Alexis]

...but i would be pleased to tell you about them if you ask nicely rather than ridicule what is actually a very well written timeline

I don;t disagree that this timeline is well written. Also most Cypriots will not disagree with the vast majority of the timeline, afterall it is as I said before at least 90% facts and correctly identifies the empires that Cyprus has been ruled by over the years. You could probably find a similar timeline at GC government website, that is not the point. What I think a lot of the GCs are trying to say is that by omitting certain facts and highlighting others with some minor interpretations along the way the timeline is actually trying to do more than just be a timeline. I'm sure it was not your intention by posting this timeline (you have said as much) to discuss the recent politics of Cyprus but unfortunately this is something that people will focus on in a forum such as this.

Anyway, simply look at the entries from about 1974 onwards at this point the timeline stops becoming just a timeline and turns into an interpretation of events from that point onwards. Let's take for example the following entries:

1975 Declaration of the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus, to pave way for a federal settlement on the island

1983 Foundation of the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus

The second is just a fact, no problem there. The first is a fact up until the comma where an interpretation is inserted. I'm not going to go into any depth about whether this interpretation is right or wrong but it is not a fact and has no place in the timeline. The same for almost every second entry since 1974.
Apologies for going on about the last few entries, I do understand that this was not the point of your post. Having been to the website most of my gripes were actually not with the timeline itself, like you say it is well written and on the whole (over 90%) sticks to its remit. What I did take exception to were the more detailed descriptions of each period through links on the timeline, but that is another story. Believe me I am the first to say we should celebrate (and also understand) our history and the great empires that ruled over us so point taken - in fact I remember doing a history project at school where we had to produce a similar timeline to the one above (leaving out the modern history (1878 onwards). This taught me most of what I know about Cypriot history especially the ancient history.

[Simon]

Kartal you are completely ignorant of my point.

I was not arguing that anything was chronologically wrong, was I? This is your own imagination. I said previously there were many conquerers of Cyprus, I know all about this.

What I was saying was, that there was clear propganda in that timeline, so obvious I will not even mention it. It does not even emphasise the gravity of the influence of Hellenic culture in Cyprus.

It is a stupid argument you make. I was not arguing the culture was Hellenic, I was stating it as a fact, just in case it was lost on some people. I never said that you denied the culture was Hellenic and I did not say it to get into a debate with you about it, I said it as a factual footnote.

Trust me, I bet I know more about 'classical empires' than you do.

[Noaxetogrind]

I feel sorry for Kartel.

Having posted an informative simple history of Cyprus all he is getting in response are oversensitive replies from parties who can't stand to read facts that don't suit their political beliefs.

[rolo]

ok

two different links:

http://www.geocities.com/helleniccyprus ... rigin.html

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/www.cypr ... ology.html

the first no doubt written by greek stresses the greek influence and turkish oppression.

the second stresses the events from british times onwards.

it's evident that whoever writes this stuff slants it.


it's also evident that cyprus had only one internationally recognised form of self rule/govt. 1960 onwards.

lets face it, it has been a disaster. unable to guarantee the most basic principle of peace and harmony for all its citizens.

[Simon]

Noaxetogrind, your post just shows your level of ignorance.