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Congratulations
I can't believe it now you are talking sense....

sure he does, the TAKSIM sense...

Here!
A TC getting excited thinking he will finally achieve Taksim, and a Gc accussing me I accepted taksim.





Both you guys better understand I only talked of a Federal system.In ALL federal systems there is regional excercise of administrative power, in our system these regional powers will be 2, one predominant TC and one predominant GC.

This is the basis that can be developed to give both sides what they want a united Cyprus where there are 2 component states one TC the other GC joined at the federal level to provide one international identity for the whole island.

[Pyrpolizer]

This is the basis that can be developed to give both sides what they want a united Cyprus where there are 2 component states one TC the other GC joined at the federal level to provide one international identity for the whole island.

No. This is confederation. I knew it all along that you got exited because you thought so.



The international identity already exists, the one and single LEGAL state already exists. It will simply give administrative rights to 2 areas so that both communities (actually one community-the TC one) accept its juristiction and its already existing international identity one element of which is e.g. its EU membership

Like I told you before the RoC will not disolve, it will transform. What will disolve is the "trnc" and whatever illegality is based upon.

Forget the nonsense of Anan Plan.

[observer]

Dear Pyrpolizer,

What a simple soul you are - though I'm sure that your family love you dearly. In the real world of international politics there is no such thing is legal states and illegal states, only recognised and unrecognised states. Yes, the TRNC is unrecognised by everyone bar Turkey, but by the same measure it will not go away until a mutually agreed settlement is reached between the two communities that live on the island (Forget who murdered who when and concentrate on the here and now).

The international community thought that the Annan Plan was a reasonable compromise. Unless you want permanent division something like it will eventually come into being.

[Kifeas]

Dear Pyrpolizer,

What a simple soul you are - though I'm sure that your family love you dearly. In the real world of international politics there is no such thing is legal states and illegal states, only recognised and unrecognised states. Yes, the TRNC is unrecognised by everyone bar Turkey, but by the same measure it will not go away until a mutually agreed settlement is reached between the two communities that live on the island (Forget who murdered who when and concentrate on the here and now).

The international community thought that the Annan Plan was a reasonable compromise. Unless you want permanent division something like it will eventually come into being.

Of course there are in international law, legal and illegal states! The "TRNC" is characterized as a legally invalid entity and non existing one as a subject of international legality. Just read the UN resolutions on the issue of the "TRNC" declaration, and ECHR decisions! The occupied north is officially recognized in international law as an area under the sovereignty of the RoC.

PS: And also read the British high court's decision in the Orams case.

[humanist]

I would like to know if there are any Cypriots who have one parent who is Greek Speaking and the other Turkish Speaking. What are your views. Are you the forgotten Cypriots? Or are you the peace fighters?

Regards
Me

[observer]

Kifeas wrote:

Of course there are in international law, legal and illegal states! The "TRNC" is characterized as a legally invalid entity and non existing one as a subject of international legality. Just read the UN resolutions on the issue of the "TRNC" declaration, and ECHR decisions! The occupied north is officially recognized in international law as an area under the sovereignty of the RoC.

PS: And also read the British high court's decision in the Orams case.

What a lot of reading you have given me to do. Well, I have read The British High Court's decision in the Oram's case. Nowhere in it does Judge Jack say that TRNC is illegal. He only says "The Turkish Republic is not recognised by the United Kingdom or by any country save Turkey, but it has de facto control of the area which it occupies". The point I think I was making.

However, it doesn't add to or subtract from the main point of my posting that "it (TRNC) will not go away until a mutually agreed settlement is reached between the two communities that live on the island". In any foreseeable future Cyprus will remain divided into its current two parts until people living in the RoC accepts something very like the Annan Plan.

[Sotos]

observer I found it for you so you will not have to make a lot of reading

RESOLUTION 541

The Security Council,

Having heard the statement of the Foreign Minister of the Government of the Republic of Cyprus,

Concerned at the declaration by the Turkish Cypriot authorities issued on 15 November 1983 which purports to create an independent state in northern Cyprus,

Considering that this declaration is incompatible with the 1960 Treaty concerning the establishment of the Republic of Cyprus and the 1960 Treaty of Guarantee,

Considering therefore that the attempt to create a "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus", is invalid, and will contribute to a worsening of the situation in Cyprus,

Reaffirming its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975),

Aware of the need for a solution of the Cyprus problem, based on the mission of good offices undertaken by the Secretary-General,

Affirming its continuing support for the United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus,

Taking note of the Secretary-General's statement of 17 November 1983,

1. Deplores the declaration of the Turkish Cypriot authorities of the purported secession of part of the Republic of Cyprus;

2. Considers the declaration referred to above as legally invalid and calls for its withdrawal;

3. Calls for the urgent and effective implementation of its resolutions 365(1974) and 367(1975);

4. Requests the Secretary-General to pursue his mission of good offices in order to achieve the earliest possible progress towards a just and lasting settlement in Cyprus;

5. Calls upon the parties to cooperate fully with the Secretary-General in his mission of good offices;

6. Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus;

7. Calls upon all States not to recognise any Cypriot state other than the Republic of Cyprus;

8. Calls upon all States and the two communities in Cyprus to refrain from any action which might exacerbate the situation;

9. Requests the Secretary-General to keep the Security Council fully informed.
http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr541.htm

ANother one:

RESOLUTION 550

The Security Council,

Having considered the situation in Cyprus at the request of the Government of the Republic of Cyprus,

Having heard the statement made by the President of the Republic of Cyprus,

Taking note of the report of the Secretary-General (S/16519),

Recalling its resolutions 365(1974), 367(1975), 541(1983) and 544(1983),

Deeply regretting the non-implementation of its resolutions, in particular resolution 541(1983),

Gravely concerned about the further secessionist acts in the occupied part of the Republic of Cyprus which are in violation of resolution 541(1983), namely the purported "exchange of Ambassadors" between Turkey and the legally invalid "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" and the contemplated holding of a "Constitutional referendum" and "elections", as well as by other actions or threats of action aimed at further consolidating the purported independent state and the division of Cyprus,

Deeply concerned about recent threats for settlement of Varosha by people other than its inhabitants,

Reaffirming its continuing support for the United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus,

1. Reaffirms its resolution 541(1983) and calls for its urgent and effective implementation,

2. Condemns all secessionist actions, including the purported exchange of Ambassadors between Turkey and the Turkish Cypriot leadership, declares them illegal and invalid and calls for their immediate withdrawal;

3. Reiterates the call upon all States not to recognise the purported state of the "Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus" set up by secessionist acts and calls upon them not to facilitate or in any way assist the aforesaid secessionist entity;

4. Calls upon all States to respect the sovereignty, independence, territorial integrity, unity and non-alignment of the Republic of Cyprus;

5. Considers attempts to settle any part of Varosha by people other than its inhabitants as inadmissible and calls for the transfer of this area to the administration of the United Nations;

6. Considers any attempts to interfere with the status or the deployment of the United Nations Peace-Keeping Force in Cyprus as contrary to the resolutions of the United Nations;

7. Requests the Secretary-General to promote the urgent implementation of Security Council resolution 541(1983);

8. Reaffirms its mandate of good offices given to the Secretary General and requests him to undertake new efforts to attain an overall solution to the Cyprus problem in conformity with the principles of the Charter of the United Nations and the provisions for such a settlement laid down in the pertinent United Nations resolutions, including Security Council resolution 541(1983) and the present resolution;

9. Calls upon all parties to cooperate with the Secretary-General in his mission of good offices;

10. Decides to remain seized of the situation with a view to taking urgent and appropriate measures in the event of non-implementation of its resolution 541(1983) and the present resolution;

11. Requests the Secretary-General to promote the implementation of the resolution and to report thereon to the Security Council as developments require.

http://www.un.int/cyprus/scr550.htm

[DT.]

Humanist can you GET anymore liberal-vegetarian-animal preservationist-green peace-soap dodger-treehugger??? Stop being such a hippy.

[cypezokyli]

Humanist can you GET anymore liberal-vegetarian-animal preservationist-green peace-soap dodger-treehugger??? Stop being such a hippy.

the world would have been a real sad place without people like humanist...
bc, the opposite of that is really worse....

[observer]

Thank you Sotos. I agree that the UN has declared TRNC illegal.

The UN is a political body, however. To show how transitory their judgments are, I refer you to UN General Assembly Resolutions 1353 of October 1959, 1723 of December 1961, and 2079 of December 1965; they all condemned the Peoples Republic of China for its behaviour in Tibet. In 1971 The Peoples Republic of China was made a permanent member of the Security Council without having paid a single bit of attention to any of the UN Resolutions.

I repeat, however, it doesn't add to or subtract from the main point of my first posting that "it (TRNC) will not go away until a mutually agreed settlement is reached between the two communities that live on the island". In any foreseeable future Cyprus will remain divided into its current two parts until people living in the RoC accepts something very like the Annan Plan.