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[stuballstu]

Piratis

Is it safe to assume that you blame Turkey for all the problems in Cyprus? Even from the 1500's?

Piratis

Your silence is deafening!

[pitsilos]

Im branding them uncivilized because of having the same mindsets like the people that bought holocaust victims gold teeth for jewelry. People that would make uncivilized purchases just to see their investment pay off. Next you'll tell me all the icons that got stolen from all the Greek churches after 1974 are your property too. Keep digging.

You really need to grow up yourself and stop posting drivel which does not even warrant a response.

but you responded because you know deep, deep down its true

[Piratis]

Viewpoint, the only one one who is seeking revenge and is trying to use the past as an excuse for crimes, illegalities and violations of our human rights TODAY it is you.

I refer to the past only to show you that what you do today (crimes and illegalities) is what you also did during the most part our common history against us, and the crimes that were committed against you are a drop in the ocean compared to what you did to us, not just 500, not just 400 not just 300, but also 30, 20, 10 years ago and you continue TODAY and you promise that your crimes against us will also continue TOMORROW (unless we legalize your crimes against us, so you can again continue with the same crimes)

Therefore you using the past to excuse your crimes of today is like the the pot calling the kettle black!

I condemn any violence but when you are forced into a corner, feel vulnerable and at risk, you have no other option but to use violence to protect your loved ones, you will give it your all to survive, that's a natural instinct.

I do not want excuse any crimes and I do acknowledge that innocent people were killed on both sides I have stated my regret in the past and have no problems doing so again. You just choose to ignore this fact.

Here is the perfect example of what I said above. In contrast with me that I condemned specifically the crimes of EOKA B, the coup, and other GC extremists against TCs, you avoid to condemn the actions of TMT, the Turkish invasion and the Turkish extremists. On the contrary you excuse them!

It is clear that the one who is seeking vengeance it is you. Not only you continue with crimes and illegalities today, but you want to continue in the future as well. You have not regretted one bit for your crimes as it is apparent, something that shows your criminal character.

[Piratis]

Piratis

Is it safe to assume that you blame Turkey for all the problems in Cyprus? Even from the 1500's?

Piratis

Your silence is deafening!

So how does that work stuballstu. I can now ask the question:

stubalistu, are you a total retard?

Lets see if you will reply immediately. If you don't, your silence will be deafening.

Thats how it works?

If I don't reply to a question it means:
1) I didn't see it yet, or I missed it.
2) I consider it too stupid to even bother with it.

I hope now you will not reply with more of "Your silence is deafening!" crap.

Now to your question:

Turkey has one the biggest shares for the problems in Cyprus. First of all of course during their rule over Cyprus (1571-1878) they are exclusively responsible, since they forced their rule over Cypriots. During that period they killed 10s of thousands of people and they oppressed Greek Cypriots. What is worst they have divided the people into two categories: Muslims (with privileges) and Christians (their slaves).

Unlike all other empires that when their reign ended they had integrated into the rest of Cypriots, the Turkish Cypriots not only they did not integrate, but they continues to demand superprivillages. Also Turkey had used their minority in Cyprus to put into action their plans for partitioning our island for its own strategic reasons.

Turkey is also exclusively responsible fo the last 32 years, since she is illegally occupying the north part of Cyprus.

So, does Turkey have most of the blame for the last 500 years. (435 years to be exact, since 1571).

So out of this 435 years, Turks occupied the whole Cyprus and oppressed Greek Cypriots killing them by the 10s of thousands for 307 years. Then they also performed ethnic cleansing, raped, killed 6000, and are for the last 32 years occupying 1/3rd of Cyprus illegally.

so 307+32 = 339. So for the 339 years of the last 435, the Turks are EXCLUSIVELY responsible for the crimes committed in Cyprus.

for the rest 96 years, the British (primarally) along with GCs, TCs, Greece and Turkey share the blame.

So no, Turkey is not to blamed for all the problems in Cyprus for the last 435 years, but they are obviously to be blamed for most of it.

But we are ready to leave the past behind and forget all that. Unfortunately the Turks, selectively remember a tiny part in history (forgetting their much more crimes) and keep using the past as a lame excuse for even more crimes and illegalities today.

And this is why I blame Turkey and TCs: That they very selectively use history as an excuse for yet more crimes against us.

Just cut the excuses and stop the illegalities and crimes NOW

[miltiades]

The past must be laid to rest , a bright future awaits all who are prepared to live in peace with each other in a land where justice peace and human rights for all is the predominant ingredient.

We can go on infinitely blaming each other a route that will takes to nowhere. We will be judged by future generations not as heroes but losers , both the T/Cs and G/Cs have a responsibility to find a solution that will satisfy all Cypriots , a solution unlike the pretentious AP united our island on paper but not in reality.

[Piratis]

The past must be laid to rest , a bright future awaits all who are prepared to live in peace with each other in a land where justice peace and human rights for all is the predominant ingredient.

I agree with you Miltiades. Unfortunately some don't want peace and they want to continue with crimes and illegalities using tiny parts of the past as excuse.

[zan]

The past must be laid to rest , a bright future awaits all who are prepared to live in peace with each other in a land where justice peace and human rights for all is the predominant ingredient.

We can go on infinitely blaming each other a route that will takes to nowhere. We will be judged by future generations not as heroes but losers , both the T/Cs and G/Cs have a responsibility to find a solution that will satisfy all Cypriots , a solution unlike the pretentious AP united our island on paper but not in reality.

So what plan are we to work to? The Piratis plan where we turn back time and pretend that nothing happened. The plan has to start from a realistic point and that is the TCs have 37% of the land. That is realities no matter how many times peoples use the word pseudo. They are illegal from one side of the boarder and legal on the other. What now. Personally I think If we are to think like Piratis we should all move out and leave the island to the newly discovered Cypriot mouse. They have been there longer than the allocated "3500" years that Piratis has a fixation on.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

Viewpoint, the only one one who is seeking revenge and is trying to use the past as an excuse for crimes, illegalities and violations of our human rights TODAY it is you.

Totally wrong, we are in this situation because of things we did in the past that culminated in division. The division is necessary for us to resolve our problems, have we done this? can we do this? do we want to do this? obviously not. You want me to send away the army, the settlers and dissolve the TRNC, why? for what? will me life be better? from what I see, read and hear this is not the case or I and many TCs would have crossed to the south in 2003 and lived in your GC state. This fact you have to come to terms with, until we can a solution that will protect our rights in reunification we cannot turn back the clock just because the GCs want this, they also wanted enosis.

I refer to the past only to show you that what you do today (crimes and illegalities) is what you also did during the most part our common history against us, and the crimes that were committed against you are a drop in the ocean compared to what you did to us, not just 500, not just 400 not just 300, but also 30, 20, 10 years ago and you continue TODAY and you promise that your crimes against us will also continue TOMORROW (unless we legalize your crimes against us, so you can again continue with the same crimes)

I am glad you refer to the past because it has clearly revealed your kin and hate for Turks and TCs and that 1963-1974 was your vengeance for what the Ottomans did to GCs many moons ago. well the TCs should take into consideration that the GCs may want vengeance for 1974.

Therefore you using the past to excuse your crimes of today is like the the pot calling the kettle black!

I do not promote that we are squeaky clean but the only issue which does make a difference is that ours was a response to your actions, if you were more pro "Cypriotism" then 1974 would never of happened as we would have been fighting off the Turks side by side.

Here is the perfect example of what I said above. In contrast with me that I condemned specifically the crimes of EOKA B, the coup, and other GC extremists against TCs, you avoid to condemn the actions of TMT, the Turkish invasion and the Turkish extremists. On the contrary you excuse them!

I used the broad term to cover all crimes committed against innocent people GCs included as they suffered greatly in 1974.

It is clear that the one who is seeking vengeance it is you. Not only you continue with crimes and illegalities today, but you want to continue in the future as well. You have not regretted one bit for your crimes as it is apparent, something that shows your criminal character.

I prefer to stay in safety until a time when I can really believe that GCs want to share Cyprus equally with TCs and that they will not manipulate legalities to reduce the TC community into just another minority in the world in a GC state run and administered by GCs.

[Pyrpolizer]

Congratulations
I can't believe it now you are talking sense....

sure he does, the TAKSIM sense...

Here!
A TC getting excited thinking he will finally achieve Taksim, and a Gc accussing me I accepted taksim.





Both you guys better understand I only talked of a Federal system.In ALL federal systems there is regional excercise of administrative power, in our system these regional powers will be 2, one predominant TC and one predominant GC.

[andreasv]

I podium, I certainly agree with your argument of letting go of the past and focus on the future and as an Australian I believe that neither side has grown up yet to be able to move forward.

What really gets up my nose having recently joint this site and listened to the discussions is that neither side want to actually recognise that they are Cypriots full stop. They keep referring to themselves and each other Turkish Cypriots/ Greek Cypriots.

They will never reach peace because they are not United and the only entities that benefit are the like of US, Greece, Turkey, UK and the EU.

I think they need to forget about bi-communal & bi-zonal re-unification. get rid of the "green line" people move to their properties or accept the choice to leave them and get compensation for it. this is what is happenining anyway approximately 9000 Cypriots from the north go to the south for work everyday, enjoy free medicare anyway. If they can work together surely they can live together.

They are arguing about nothing, the world is getting smaller by the day, people of all races, colour, religion and language are living everywhere and so can the Cypriots if they wish.,

I'm tired of listenning to the same old, same old for the last 23 years.

Finally the goats don't care ........ they are CYPRIOTS. They got their identity right! mbeeeeh!!!!