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[Kartal_Aetos]

it is wrong to label muslims as suicide bombers just because some people who follow the islamic religion done suicide bombings

if it is, then please allow me to label you a racist anyway, for your fellow christians carrying out the holocaust...

oh, but whats that i hear you say? it wasn't you? damn right! so how is it fair for me to label you a racist?

do you catch my drift?

[Simon]

You are completely wrong, and this really is an ignorant, pathetic response.

Where did I say that all Muslims were suicide bombers?

All I said was it is Muslims that are carrying out suicide bombings. I'm afraid this is a fact, and if saying this makes me racist in your eyes, then as I say, I think you have some issues to deal with. The holocaust is a different situation, as Hitler did not say he was doing it for Christianity or a 'christian God.' These fanatics say they are doing this in the name of Islam. A difference, don't you think?

I am sick of this scenario, where anybody who says something that a Muslim does not like, is labelled prejudiced, Islamaphobic etc. You really need to grow up and stop feeling so victimised.

[Kartal_Aetos]

It is still prejudiced...It gives ALL muslims a bad name...why should i be given a bad name by someone elses actions?

they may have been muslims, but they are also many other things aswell...instead you choose to label muslims suicide bombers knowing well that there will be muslims on this forum who will be annoyed by your words...

And, believe it or not, the Nazi's were a VERY religious organisation and non-christians were also killed during their time in power...u just have to know a little something about their history...the nazi swastika sign was actually the symbol for the church Hitler used to go to as a child

[Simon]

No it is not prejudiced, IT IS STATING A FACT. Are the suicide bombers Muslims? Yes or No. Are they doing their deeds in the name of Islam? Yes or No.

If you are so worried about this giving Muslims a bad name, then try to actively do something about it. Reacting like this to simple statements of truth will certainly not help your cause. It is the Islamic fascists' actions that give Muslims a bad name, not me. I am simply stating facts.

Whether the Nazis were religious or not is irrelevant. They did not go round saying this is for christianity etc, and their reasons for trying to conquer Europe had obviously very little to do with christianity. They were defeated a while ago now anyway in case you hadn't noticed, BY PREDOMINANTLY CHRISTIAN NATIONS. The Muslim extremists are our enemy of today, so why don't Muslim countries do more to try to stop them? From what I see, many Muslim countries support these fanatics!

[cypezokyli]

The Muslim extremists are our enemy of today, so why don't Muslim countries do more to try to stop them? From what I see, many Muslim countries support these fanatics!

by "our" who do you mean ? the cypriots, the europeans, the "west" , the people of the world ?

could you name those "many" muslim countries that support terrorism ? unless you are reffering to the 2 (max 3) usual suspects, i dont see, how you came to that conclusion.

If you are so worried about this giving Muslims a bad name, then try to actively do something about it.

there is a very serious problem for moderates when they are caught between two extremes (in this case fanatical islam , and neo-conservative christian fanatics on the other). for one, as you my have noticed also in the history of cyprus, anyone who tries to express a different opinion he is immidiately labeled as "traitor" , even if he doesnt really support "the others".

the other thing about situations with two extremes, is that they usually create a very disorted picture of "the other". concequently they follow policies, that in the end pushes "the other" to move more and more closer to the previously "distorted idea". too often , its like a self fullfilling prophecy .


PS. as a general comment i do agree though that the islamophobia started getting annoying in some cases (but it really depends on the case )

[Ascot]

it is wrong to label muslims as suicide bombers just because some people who follow the islamic religion done suicide bombings

if it is, then please allow me to label you a racist anyway, for your fellow christians carrying out the holocaust...

oh, but whats that i hear you say? it wasn't you? damn right! so how is it fair for me to label you a racist?

do you catch my drift?

There millions of muslims that arent terorists and neither suicide bombers, or fanatics


Infact, i have lots of friends and indeed i have great respect for them!

[Ascot]

If, and it's a big if, there is an independent Kurdish state in northern Iraq, why is this thought to lead to break up of Turkey? Kosovo isn't necessarily join with Albania because for the Kosovan's this would be against their interests, having had a different history they have different perspectives. Every nation, even Israel (eventually) will have to conclude that it is better to be at peace than at war with your neighbours, and the Kurds of northern Iraq will need to be at peace with Turkey and Iran. What do you think the price for that peace will be?

From the arguments i read here i concluded the eventual break up of Tourkia
The Anglo-Saxons will eventually divided it into pieces. May be within 5 or 10 years

It could also be rename the FTR (former Turkish Republic) now known as
FEA (Far East Anatolia)

The winners most likely the Kurdish people! Good luck to them!

[b]Almost 30% of the Turkish republic will almost end up with the new nation of the Kurds!

They are estimated to amount to 30 million even though not all of them from Turkish Kurdistan[/b]

[Kartal_Aetos]

Ascot, get it in to ur heard...there never was a kurdistan...how can you justify giving them a country? this is like the jews who got israel because America felt like it was the right thing to do and now the palestinians feel fucked over...and they have a right to feel that way...

there is no need for pointless Turk hating...there is no intellectual point here

[cypezokyli]

Ascot, get it in to ur heard...there never was a kurdistan...how can you justify giving them a country?
there is no need for pointless Turk hating...there is no intellectual point here

i agree that this thread has a lot of turk-hating attitude.
but since you raise the point, ofcource it is possible to justify giving the kurds a country.
it can be justified on Widrows Wilsons (and Lenins) stupid argument of self-dermination of "a people". based on that principle (which the way it came to be itnerpeted finds me completely disagreeing with) many "people" got countries that never exited before.
the same could have happenned with the kurds, but at the time when borders where (irresponsibly) drown on the earth, the kurd nationalism was non-existent , and they had no support from any big power. actually too often they joined the ottoman army in dealing with christian minorities.

there is no doubt that in the countries the currently live in they are oppressed (economically, culturally, and otherwise) on different degrees. and because they are oppressed they believe that a state will solve their problem. in other words, the conditions for raising kurdish nationalism are present.

i am not in favor, of a free kurdistan, bc first of all as a cypriot i am against the partition of any country , and second bc i believe that the attempt to create a free kurdistan would create more problems that it would solve. on the other hand i strongly support an immidiate stopping of all discriminations the kurds are suffering in all countries they are living in.

[Simon]

Cypezokyli said:

[quote]by "our" who do you mean ? the cypriots, the europeans, the "west" , the people of the world ?

could you name those "many" muslim countries that support terrorism ? unless you are reffering to the 2 (max 3) usual suspects, i dont see, how you came to that conclusion. [/quote]

I mean anybody who is against their ideals. I thought that would have been quite obvious.

'Many' being Syria, Iran, Libya, Sudan, Iraq (before Saddam was forcibly removed) and the Taliban (former government but still fighting to resume control) of Afghanistan. Not also forgetting Al Qaeda which have links in many countries, including Pakistan, Jordan, Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Morocco etc. Al Qaeda has more support than what you might think amongst the locals of these countries, who shelter them. How 'many' does there need to be, to fulfil your definition of 'many'?

Ascot, nobody has said all Muslims are fanatics or suicide bombers.