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[Sotos]

Why do you think it is impossible for Turkey to brake up like Yugoslavia did? Kurds want a free Kurdistan don't they?

[Simon]

Kikapu, I think when you remove the 12 million Kurds, that is only 58 million Turks.

Cypezokyli, you seriously need to wake up if you believe an independent Kurdistan is not a possibility. Turkey itself is worried about this and indeed this is why they have had several meetings with the Americans and the Iraqi Prime Minister about this very situation.

Issy, you are simply on another planet if you believe Turkey does not want the permanent break-up of Cyprus.

[MARIKKOU]

Why do you think it is impossible for Turkey to brake up like Yugoslavia did? Kurds want a free Kurdistan don't they?

Nothing is impossible!

When our American allies finished the job an Afghanistan and Iraq...who knows ?

Perhaps the break up of Turkey will be a reality!

The Allies are not very happy with Turkey, the EU think Turkey is too big and does not mould into the EU values, The Kurdish people are seeking to be liberated from the occupier (Turkey), so the chances are that it is only a matter of time before it is curved up.


Ishallah!!!!

[cypezokyli]

planet earth calling people on this thread...
anyone there ?

simon:

Cypezokyli, you seriously need to wake up if you believe an independent Kurdistan is not a possibility. Turkey itself is worried about this and indeed this is why they have had several meetings with the Americans and the Iraqi Prime Minister about this very situation.

first of all my comments was on what mickleham wrote.
he didnot speak about an independant kourdistan , but what he wrote was a sequence of stupidities that it makes me tired even to count them.

now lets go to the independant kurdistan.
could you tell us under what conditions countries break up ?
and do you think these conditions apply to turkey ?
i mean since you came to that conclusion, could you enlighten us a bit ?

marrikou:

Nothing is impossible!

When our American allies finished the job an Afghanistan and Iraq...who knows ?

Perhaps the break up of Turkey will be a reality!

The Allies are not very happy with Turkey, the EU think Turkey is too big and does not mould into the EU values, The Kurdish people are seeking to be liberated from the occupier (Turkey), so the chances are that it is only a matter of time before it is curved up.


Ishallah!!!!

Our american allies !!!!

and from what you see up to now, are the americans close in "finishing the job" in iraq (and afganistan ) ?

and assuming they do finish the job , "in a matter of time" , where can you base any serious conclusion that they will attempt to break up a traditional ally , like turkey ? and who is going to deal with iran, korea, syria.... not to mention the new wave of leaders in their own back yard ?
the fact that americans are in favor of a federal kurdish state in iraq (against turkish interests) , made you people way excited!!! so excited that you draw conclusions that are outside the sphere of the common sense!!!

and which EU leader did you listen that implied that they would welcome a "smaller turkey" ?

leaving aside the geopolitical importance of turkey, and its raising importance in the energy routes.... turkey has one of the most reliable armies in the whole middle east. its not only greeks who can fight bravely for their country, other people can do that as well. even if the americans decide to brake turkey up, let me save you from the surprise : The turks will fight! and unlike saddams army that was falling apart, and suffered through years of embargoes, turkey is one of the leading countries in military spending. they have many toys they can use... and if you consider the resistance the iraqis are keeping up for three years now, with no toys (despite what the americans thought)... you can imagine the concequences....
and michleham insist that it will lead to peace!!!!

[Simon]

[quote]simon:
Quote:
Cypezokyli, you seriously need to wake up if you believe an independent Kurdistan is not a possibility. Turkey itself is worried about this and indeed this is why they have had several meetings with the Americans and the Iraqi Prime Minister about this very situation.


first of all my comments was on what mickleham wrote.
he didnot speak about an independant kourdistan , but what he wrote was a sequence of stupidities that it makes me tired even to count them.

now lets go to the independant kurdistan.
could you tell us under what conditions countries break up ?
and do you think these conditions apply to turkey ?
i mean since you came to that conclusion, could you enlighten us a bit ? [/quote]

Countries can break up for all kinds of reasons and in many different conditions. What do you want, for me to write you an essay? One thing is for sure, a large number of Kurds have been persecuted in Turkey for a long time; and if 12 million people in a concentrated area (namely eastern Turkey) decide enough is enough, anything is possible. Further, the break up of Iraq seems a possibility more and more, with the civil war raging there, and if Kurdistan becomes an independent entity, are you seriously telling me they are not going to attempt unification with the Kurds of Turkey?

[cypezokyli]

if kurds receive what they demand in irak , that it is not necessary in favor of cyprus. some people argue that it will be the new place for an american controlled state and as a concequence they will abandon turkey. some others argue, that in order to keep turkey happy, they will compensate them with rewards on cyprus... ever thought of that possibility ?

[Simon]

I believe that would be extremely unlikely, especially with the EU heavily involved now in the Cyprus problem; the USA cannot just grant concessions to Turkey, unhindered, any longer. Further, with an allied Kurdistan, Turkey would become more and more insignificant and therefore keeping them happy would not be top of the USA's priority list.

In any event, I do not believe concessions on Cyprus would be enough to keep Turkey happy, if what we are talking about does come to pass.

[cypezokyli]

simon:
Quote:
Cypezokyli, you seriously need to wake up if you believe an independent Kurdistan is not a possibility. Turkey itself is worried about this and indeed this is why they have had several meetings with the Americans and the Iraqi Prime Minister about this very situation.


first of all my comments was on what mickleham wrote.
he didnot speak about an independant kourdistan , but what he wrote was a sequence of stupidities that it makes me tired even to count them.

now lets go to the independant kurdistan.
could you tell us under what conditions countries break up ?
and do you think these conditions apply to turkey ?
i mean since you came to that conclusion, could you enlighten us a bit ?

Countries can break up for all kinds of reasons and in many different conditions. What do you want, for me to write you an essay? One thing is for sure, a large number of Kurds have been persecuted in Turkey for a long time; and if 12 million people in a concentrated area (namely eastern Turkey) decide enough is enough, anything is possible. Further, the break up of Iraq seems a possibility more and more, with the civil war raging there, and if Kurdistan becomes an independent entity, are you seriously telling me they are not going to attempt unification with the Kurds of Turkey?

it is one of the possibilities. but let me once again remind you, that turkey is NOT iraq. two different countries, with different history , and all kinds of different conditions.

did you consider the possibility that the americans decide to leave iraq (defeated) ? they left also in the 90s and abondened the kurds in the hands of saddam. the kurds are in a sea of enemies. if for any reason americans pack their bags and go it is not only turkey that will be awaiting to attack them....

[mehmet]

If, and it's a big if, there is an independent Kurdish state in northern Iraq, why is this thought to lead to break up of Turkey? Kosovo isn't necessarily join with Albania because for the Kosovan's this would be against their interests, having had a different history they have different perspectives. Every nation, even Israel (eventually) will have to conclude that it is better to be at peace than at war with your neighbours, and the Kurds of northern Iraq will need to be at peace with Turkey and Iran. What do you think the price for that peace will be?

[Piratis]

I believe the essence of this thread is that nobody should arrogantly count on the power of Turkey to force illegalities in Cyprus. Doing such thing is bad for those that are oppressed by the Turkish illegalities, but it is also bad for those that count on these illegalities as they are building on the sand and (naturally) create enmity against them which can never be good in the long run.

Obviously some in here refuse to admit it, but Turkey is not the most stable country and it has very important internal problems that they can not solve but only temporarily oppress. If the super power USSR could brake up then Turkey can brake up even easier no matter how brave and brutal their army is.

Therefore Turkish Cypriots should realize that a solution based on universal principles such as democracy and human rights is better for them as well in the long run. Counting on the current balance of power (arrogantly thinking it will never change) to force a "solution" is yet another mistake among the many Cypriots have committed so far.