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[Kikapu]

Kikapu

GC's are 80%, but they may have 5 main political parties, and the TC's who are 20% may have 2 main political parties. Well, if no one party gets majority of the votes over 50%, then it will be a coalition government, which may include Political Parties from both ethnic groups to form a Government. So in essence, both communities will rule together over the Majority and the Minority ethnic groups. The bigger concern is, can the political processes be fair to all of the citizens, rather than favouring one over another.

I disagree, this would only work if the was trust between the 2 communities and seeing we have absolutely none of that the formula used above will allow the GC parties to rule forever not allowing TCs a look in..

You would be left at the mercy of GC parties with 80% of the vote that would rather join forces than a TC party into government, again you would be left at the mercy of GCs who have been not been the best of allies in the past don't forget it was with just this mentality that GCs tried to exploit the majority rule pushing us to one side in order to turn an independent Cyprus into Greece. The risk is just to high when all you have to go on is our past and no goodwill or inclination to prove us wrong by actions and not words.

This will be in conjunction with "Kifeas's Plan", don't forget.

[Pyrpolizer]

Piratis your assumptions are mind numbingly wide of the mark. The business I am in has nothing to do with ordinary members of the public. My business is strictly "trade only". I am a law obeying business man, with all my taxes paid etc etc. I can not advertise my business for two reasons. One it is against forum rules, which you as a moderator should know but repeatedly breach with your personal attacks on other members, and secondly it would serve no advantage to my company as we do not deal with the public. I do the same business in the "occupied" areas as i do in the "free" areas. What point are you trying to get to? And no i am nothing to do with construction or estate agencies.

A commission agent for raw materials used by factories, or an agent of a known multinational.

[souroul]

trying to school turks on democracy is like trying to teach a dog to do math. many dont even know what it means. in fact, some think that turkey is a democratic nation

[zan]

trying to school turks on democracy is like trying to teach a dog to do math. many dont even know what it means. in fact, some think that turkey is a democratic nation

Not good at maths then souroul??????????????

[rolo]

when you find a democracy agreeable to 100% of the population, let the tcs know.

[souroul]

when you find a democracy agreeable to 100% of the population, let the tcs know.

i find democracy agreeable to the majority of the world, africa and some of asia excluded... do you find miliraty dicratorship agreeable to more than a fraction of the people in a country?


zan, i'm not even going to comment on that

[zan]

zan, i'm not even going to comment on that

You just did

[Sotos]

trying to school turks on democracy is like trying to teach a dog to do math. many dont even know what it means. in fact, some think that turkey is a democratic nation

Maybe you are right souroul. Maybe democracy is a European - Christian value. That is maybe why most Muslim countries are not democratic! Or this is a coincidence?

[Piratis]

Piratis

So what are you saying here is that Russians and Koreans are "bad" and therefore they can not administer human rights? Or that the systems in countries like N.Korea is democratic only in theory and not in practice, and that just labeling a system "democratic" does not necessarily mean that it is?

If you mean the first, then you must admit it is a racist approach. If you mean the second, then I totally agree with you. I wouldn't want to live in a Korean "democracy", or in a Turkish "democracy" or in an Annan plan kind of "democracy" either.

I am referring to the second example you give and this is what I and many many TC believe a GC dominated run state would provide. That's why there has to be a mechanism where one community will not dominate or hinder the other.

I want a true democratic system and the principles are defined in the document I posted above. Only a constitution that will enforce those principles will be democratic, not just taking some racist system based on Apartheid of South Africa and label it "democratic".

This of course works in your favor as you are numerically larger and will take the necessary step to exclude the TCs from running our country, thus providing a GC administered democracy and human rights based on your kin of not only the past 32 years but also the Ottoman era. This is to high a risk to take for us unless were are shown that we are wrong by actions not words. It is too much like leaping into the dark at the mercy of the GC community which is something we wish to avoid at all costs.

You say you mean the second, but your words clearly indicate that what you mean is the first. That no matter what the system is, the "bad" GCs will try to harm the "good" TCs.

I am talking to you about TCs having guaranteed proportional representation in the government, and 1 every 5 presidents to again be a TC, and then you say that I want to exclude TCs from running the country!!
It is obvious that you are not satisfied with what proportionatly belongs to you but you want to gain on our loss with some undemocratic racist system.

[Piratis]

I wondered how long it would take for you to get back to your old rhetoric.

My "old rhetoric" is about democracy, legality and human rights for all Cypriots. Sorry, but I am not convinced to abandon those universally accepted principles and accept the methods of land grab and ethnic cleansing that you support.

How old are you Piratis. Are you 3500 years old or are you afraid that your ancestors will come back and haunt you if you give up a little bit of land.

And why should we give up a bit(???) of land and you gain that land on our loss? Would you accept the opposide? That you give up a bit of land from what you legally own so that we can gain it?

Most on this board talk about a settlement , you ask for complete surrender.

So democracy and human rights is considered as a "surrender" for you?? We are not the ones asking from you to give up your human rights or a "bit" of land. You are the ones doing this.

Uprooting once again a displaces populace is not fair. Sure it has been done before but that does not excuse you wanting to do it again.

I don't want to "uproot" anybody. Those that illegaly occupy our lands do not have their roots there. Our roots are there and they are 3500 years deep, so why do you insist on our uproot????

Show some respect for the people you are talking to and stop dictating your demands and you might just strike up some better response.

My demands are for democracy, human rights and an independent Cyprus without racist violations. My demand is exactly that respect should be shown from all Cypriots.
On the other hand you insist on illegal demands that have as an aim to take away from us part of our country and violate our human rights. You are the one who is showing no respect whatsoever.