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[zan]

If both sides wanted to have peace tomorrow and wanted to forgive and forget for all the past "wrong doings", what do you intend to do, bring out your calculator and start itemizing everything one by one.

The problem is that "if". Time after time I tried to say that we should leave the past behind and finally have in Cyprus a normal country like all other EU countries with no divisions, racist discriminations, human rights violations etc. And what do I get in return? Some Viewpoints and Zans telling me that this can not happen because supposedly the past shows that GCs are evil that can not be trusted.

They are trying to selectively use tiny parts of the past as an excuse for even more crimes and illegalities today and to present themselves as the victims and the GCs as the "evils". So you tell me what I should reply to those lame excuses Kikapu? Or maybe it is ok for Turks to use the past as an excuse for the crimes they commit as we speak and we should not even reply to their lame excuses?

When I first discovered this site there was one person in particular that was trying his best to run the Turks into the ground. You Piratis. There was one person in particular trying to spread propaganda that he still does today to divert attention from the wrong doings of his nation that caused a situation of which the repercussions of we live in today. You Piratis. There is one person here that has a plan, albeit transparent as hell, that has taken it upon him self to try to confuse and distract the readers of this forum from the truth. You, you, you, Piratis.

And now this person is crying rape because he has spawned lots of little anti-Piratises that have shown him up for what he really is, a propaganda machine.

I have to give it to him though, because he has some stamina and is able to twist and turn in the face of adversity. His new tactic is to plead with every one to forget the past because he has realised that most of the people here have educated them selves and know mostly what that past is.........a tragedy!

It is a tragedy because we cannot see a way forward. It is a tragedy because we don't trust our politicians. It is a tragedy because deep down inside we know that the partition will be there for a long time to come but the most tragic thing of all is that we no longer know each other. One has become inseparably Greek and the other undeniably Turkish. We have commonalties but only through nostalgia.

I don't see all GCs as evil. I see SOME that are evil, some that are manipulative, some that are over ambitious but mostly I see those that want to get on with their lives, in peace.

We now come to the stickiest part of this problem that is the property issue that is directly linked to the land issue in total. There can be no more mass movement of people. It is as simple as that. We cannot knock the island back decades and pretend that all will be fine. We cannot start again in this respect. Of course it is wrong for these people that have lost their property but this is a reality that they must face up to and try to embrace as a fact and as a solution. They MUST be compensated of course but any other complicated methods are doomed to failure. This reality is one that is fast becoming evident to all but the die hards' like Piratis.

We cannot forget the past until we agree on the past!

We cannot look to the future until we agree as to what it will be!

[Piratis]

Zan, you and a few others are the ones who support illegalities by means of brute force. What I say is that the occupation and the "trnc" are illegal. What I say is that the human rights of all should be respected and that in Cyprus we should have democracy like they have in any other EU country. What of this is "propaganda" according to you?

On the other hand zan, you (along with a few others) support: The illegalities forced by Turkey in Cyprus, you regard the violations of our human rights as required, you concluded that Cyprus can not have democracy as it exists in all other democratic countries because GCs are "evil" and the TCs the "super humans" that deserve disproportional super privileges, you disregard UN resolutions and ECHR rulings, and basically you took what you wanted (partition) by force and you accept no other "solution" than the legalization of your crimes against us.

His new tactic is to plead with every one to forget the past because he has realised that most of the people here have educated them selves and know mostly what that past is.........a tragedy!

Yes, the people that are educated enough know how the problems in Cyprus started, how the Turks started by killing 10s of thousands of Greek Cypriots, then proceeded to oppress them for 300 years, and then after only a short brake they started their usual tactics again by ethnically cleansing Greek Cypriots and occupying part of our country. Did the Greek Cypriots commit crimes as well? Of course they did, and unlike you who celebrate the occupation of our country and the violations of our human rights and have so far apologised for nothing, I have time after time condemned the illegal actions of EOKA B, the coup etc. Unfortunately you bring up those GC crimes, which are a drop in the ocean compared to what the Turks did to us, as a lame excuse for even more crimes and illegalities against us.

The reason that I plead to leave the past behind is not that the past would show how "bad" the GCs are and how "good" the TCs are since this is not the case. I plead for the past to be left behind because I don't want to punish TCs based on what they did to us in the past but on the contrary I want for each one of them exactly what I want for each Greek Cypriot. What is the reason then for me to want to go back to the past? The only reason is when you force me to do so, by selectively choosing tiny parts of the past in order to blame the GCs and excuse the crimes committed against us today. When you do that you give me no other option than to remind you the truth that you seem to forget.

There can be no more mass movement of people.

Very interesting that the Turks say that only after they grab land that does not belong to them. When it suits them mass movement of people is very possible though.

Turkey has committed a huge crime in Cyprus. The penalty for this crime should be paid by Turkey herself, not by her innocent victims. For example I am sure that if Turkey builds for the Settlers nice villas in Antalya, gives them work, health care and support there, that most of them would be glad to take the offer.
So if Turkey cares for her own citizens there are ways to keep them very satisfied. Victimizing again the GCs and taking away from us the lands that we have 3500 years of history, is not something we will ever accept.

[zan]

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[MR-from-NG]

Piratis, I'm fed up reading your crap. The above can be found in hundreds of your stupid posts. Do you for one minute believe anybody with any sense would listen to your crappy lies.

Same shit different day.

[growuptcs]

mrfromng, to you they're crappy lies but mostly has factual substance. Tell us something other than a non-movement attitude, and threats. Try it out and be constructive in your wording,(but make sense, not TURK sense)
I give people like Pirates a lot of credit for still trying to make others understand what the Cyprus issue is all about. To be honest with you, he taught me alot along with people like you with your reasons, so I do thank you two for that, honestly. But todays Cyprus issue has to move on and your will is not there because of not wanting to lose "The stolen side". So your reasons of keeping those title deeded properties is starting to get considered junk mail to the rest. We're hitting the playoffs with this issue, so sit tight.

[Viewpoint]

The land issue for the standard TCs not as big as you seem to think it is as was confirmed by the TC population in Güzelyurt that knowingly voted for the Annan plan knowing they were going to have to move yet again.

The principle issues for TCs are BBF, security and political equality.

[growuptcs]

Do you want to get treated like an alien from outerspace maybe? Because those are norms for any democratic country. Pick any democratic country and tell me how their principles differ? I too sound like a broken record listening to myself talk to the same people that want a misfit society. When I take off from this site for a month and come back, nothing has changed. The ones defending N.Cyprus that moved out are hollaring for the TCS because they got a good taste of what life is outside and want to bring that life there so they can move back. I just don't think that you'll be able to do that under the expense of the GC's.
Can't pay off the world to make TRNC legal, unless maybe you sell off half of the motherland or 37% of it.

[Sotos]

What Piratis says is all true. This is why all the extremist Turks who want to partition our country attack him! Just look at their replies with "zzzzz" and swearing. They are pathetic!

[Pyrpolizer]

When I first discovered this site there was one person in particular that was trying his best to run the Turks into the ground. You Piratis. There was one person in particular trying to spread propaganda that he still does today to divert attention from the wrong doings of his nation that caused a situation of which the repercussions of we live in today. You Piratis. There is one person here that has a plan, albeit transparent as hell, that has taken it upon him self to try to confuse and distract the readers of this forum from the truth. You, you, you, Piratis. ……………………………………………….
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I hope you understand this is nothing but a personal attack. We all read this forum and we all know what each person more or less repeats all the time. You for example usually repeats comical provocaions not worthy to even read….Let me know if you would like to point you some examples.

If you think your above arguments are true, you should have had proven them at the time they occurred. Nothing of the sort ever happened, yet you come here summing up your personal opinion in a form of a pure personal attack.

[Pyrpolizer]

I don't know how else to get through to some people anymore. I told Piratis that there is plenty of blame to go around since 1960, but that is not good enough for him. It turns out, some people on both sides are not willing to accept any responsibility, unless one side accepts more "wrong doings" than the other side, in order to gain the "moral superiority".

I hate to give the bad news to everyone, but we have all failed in the "moral superiority".

I agree with you my friend.

On the other hand, this is what forums are all about. We accuse you for A, you accuse us for B, we say we are virgin Marys, you say you are Angels, and then we all accuse each other we cannot be trusted because we are ALL wolves in ships clothing. Same process repeated over and over and over again. At some stage everybody is exhausted when suddenly a newbie drops in and surprise surprise everything starts all over again.