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The Cyprus Issue: A British View

Postby I podium » Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:23 pm

MY NAME IS IMMATERIAL. I AM ONE OF THE HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS OF BRITISH PEOPLE WHO ARE FACELESS AND VOICELESS. UNTIL NOW! MY VOICE ONCE HEARD WILL PROVIDE A PERSONA, A FACE. CAN YOU SEE ME? I READ THE PAPERS EVERY DAY. I WATCH THE NEWS. I HAVE BEEN QUIET ABOUT THE THINGS THAT ANNOY ME. BUT THE TENSION BUILDS UP. CAN YOU SEE ME? I AM A REFLECTION OF YOU. UNFAIR AND UNJUST HAPPENINGS. SO WHAT, YOU SAY. THAT’S LIFE! NOT SO, I ARGUE. SOMEBODY HAS GOT TO TAKE A STAND. READ ME TODAY.
FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 22, 2006
The Corpulent Couple

Corpulence! Lovely rotund well-rounded word. A word that brings up images of greed and gluttony. Images that springs to mind when I look at the picture of the Orams in the papers. Yes that couple who bought a villa in Northern Cyprus. The land was stolen from the original owner, a Mr. Meletis Apostolides when the Turks invaded in 1974. Well, the Obese Orams like so many other ignorant Brits who sought a bargain and bought cheap properties in a country that is only recognised by Turkey. (Of course its cheap. If I bought a stolen car that too would be cheap.) As I was saying the Bloated Brits built this holiday villa on stolen land. Mr. Apostolides discovered the fact in 2004 and sued the Orams. A court in Cyprus, Southern Cyprus ruled that the Orams villa should be knocked down and compensation be made to Mr. Apostolides. But the Turkish Cypriots in the North would not allow it. Of course not. As it would set a precedent for the rest of the people from Southern Cyprus, the Greeks who owned land in the North pre-1974. And that’s a lot of people.

So this chap Mr. Apostolides sues the ‘svelte’ couple in a court in England claiming his right to acquire their assets as they had stolen his. The English court ruled that it had no jurisdiction in Northern Cyprus and as I mentioned before no other country recognises Northern Cyprus apart from the Turks. I must pause here and reflect on those buyers, like the Orams who were so filled with greed that they didn’t hear the alarm bells sound at the thought of investing in a country that has no recognition from the world at large. A bit stupid wouldn’t you say. Crassly stupid in fact when you consider the official website of the British Foreign & Commonwealth Office advises Brits to seek independent legal advice and to be very careful of purchasing property in Northern Cyprus as the Greek owners legal rights could be violated. Were the Orams like the other Brits who bought property deaf and blind to all the warning signs.?

The Corpulent couple were smiling at the decision in the London courts. They think they have won. Their backers, the unscrupulous developers who are building on stolen land in Northern Cyprus are rubbing their hands with glee at the thought of all those other gullible Brits who will look no further. CAUTION! Mr. Apostolides has the right to appeal which he will. He will take his case to the European Courts. He will not stop until justice is done. It is a matter of honour. And there are hundreds of other Greek Cypriots to take his place. The question one has to ask of the Orams is: ‘Have you considered the moral issue? Would you be comfortable in living in what is not rightfully yours? Do you sleep at night?

More important, Turkey looms large on the horizon of Northern Cyprus. Turkey with all its unrest (bombs going off on a weekly basis recently) and its appalling human rights record. Over the past 18 months popular support In Turkey for EU membership has declined and nationalism has taken its place. The calls have been loud and strident especially form a group of ultra-nationalist lawyers called the Union of Jurists. This group has brought charges against a female author, Elif Shafak under the country’s draconian law of insulting ‘Turkishness’. In her bestselling novel, The Bastard of Istanbul, a character describes the massacres of Armenians in the late Ottoman Empire as genocide, a view that is shared internationally but vigourously denied by the Turkish state. I believe this is a first case of a writer being prosecuted for words spoken by a character in a work of fiction.

What about Turkey’s persecution of the Christians and the land it has confiscated from them? If they want to be part of the EU fold perhaps they should allow the Christian churches to open seminaries (which they are not allowed to do) and lock up the Turks who terrorise priests rather than going after the heavily pregnant author, Elia Shafak. Turkish muslims should be free to convert to Christianity without fear of reprisals. Do you think all this cant touch you Mr and Mrs Orams? Perhaps you should consider that Turkey has illegally settled 120, 000 of its citizens in the North of Cyprus and controls the government of Northern Cyprus.

Or did the Orams and others like them find their haven in the company of the criminal element in Northern Cyprus? I must have omitted to mention earlier that no other country recognises Northern Cyprus as a country apart from Turkey. Therefore there is no extradition treaty between Northern Cyprus and the rest of the world. So criminals are free to indulge what comes naturally to them - And that brings us right back to where we started - The Illegal occupation, building on and selling of land that does not belong to them.

A word of advice for a would-be investor. Cyprus is a beautiful country. All of it. Try the South of Cyprus, the Greek part. Its safer.

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Postby twinkle » Tue Oct 10, 2006 3:50 pm

Interesting first post. Welcome aboard.
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Postby alex. » Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:20 pm

Love the introduction. Most of us British are very much like that. It sounds like a great idea to move to the north with the very cheap costs which I admit that I first thought as well but when i looked into it there's nothing there. I wouldn't be able to support myself with income because due to lack of good jobs with the very little entertainment and not many people around. My opinion is to go to the south.
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Postby zan » Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:33 pm

Dear Mr.IMMATERIAL

If you are not already Greek I think that is a perfect speech to make you an honorary one.

As for buying property in the north, I'll tell ya, You will be kicking yourselves in years to come. I suppose you could always rest on your morals though.
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Postby G.Man » Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:37 pm

In terms of criminals in the north, the guy from pollypeck lives there now, due to its lack of extradition treaty..

Lets hope one day he gets his comeuppance..
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Postby zan » Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:40 pm

G.Man wrote:In terms of criminals in the north, the guy from pollypeck lives there now, due to its lack of extradition treaty..

Lets hope one day he gets his comeuppance..



Why what did he do?
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Postby Alexis » Tue Oct 10, 2006 4:51 pm

Why what did he do?


I think that's Azil Nadir. Here are some resources from the web regarding him:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/cyprus/story/ ... 62,00.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asil_Nadir

The Serious Fraud Office really want to see this guy. They plan to indict him for fraud. I saw an interview with him in Northern Cyprus a few years ago. The interview was at a house in Lapithos which belongs to some family friends. If Mr Nadir lives there he has done very well for himself.
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Postby Simon » Tue Oct 10, 2006 5:42 pm

Perfect post IMMATERIAL. Couldn't agree more. :D
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Postby rolo » Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:34 pm

Immaterial

Welcome to the forum.


Glad you have joined us with your post: A British View,

You are one of hundreds of thousands of Britons waking up to moral values, rights and wrongs and rightfully point out bombs going off on a weekly basis in Turkey, very similar to the bombs your army is firing on a hourly basis in Iraq and Afghanistan.

You also point out that Greek owned land is being bought without the rightful owners consent and quote the “Orams” case. Unfortunately such proceedings for the 30% of tcs made homeless by gunmen in the 60’s was no option..

You talk of headway with reforms and freedom of speech in Turkey. I totally agree with you and look forward to the necessary repeals. Please remember that the Turkish Republic is made up of many ethnicities and is a puppy at only 80 years old, unlike your own democracy whose roots can date back to the 1600's. Different countries face different problems and time-scales en route to full and fair democracy..

As for religious issues, I must admit I know little, so maybe you would like to address your concerns by way of e-mail to the offices of German Chancellor Angela Merkel, who this week held talks in Turkey with religious leaders including Ecumenical Orthodox Patriarch Bartholemew, Istanbul Mufti Mustafa Cagrici and Turkish Chief Rabbi Isak Haleva. Maybe they can enlighten you.


Anyway it is pleasing that in light of the Cyprus Problem you have now become morally aware and vociferous, it is such a shame you could not have done this in the 1960’s when Cyprus erupted, you could have helped prevent the ensuing massacres, attempted genocides ethnic cleansings, deaths, refugees and all else the Cypriots have since suffered. Why have you stayed silent for so long? – Shame on you.
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Postby andri_cy » Tue Oct 10, 2006 6:52 pm

Rolo, for all you know the guy wasnt even born in the 60's or 1974. Calm down.
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