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[zan]

There is a rumour that he was actually double crossed by a Greek accountant that he hired. I have no idea if this is true or not. Do you have any information on this?

hi Zan,

Don't really have any more information on Mr Nadir. It would seem that nothing really new has happened since that article in the Guardian back in 2003. Some have speculated that he made the gesture of returning to the UK because of the Annan Plan which could have seen Cyprus unite and adopt an extradition treaty with the UK and so now that the status quo has been 'ratified' for a few more years to come he has gone back to laying low. As for the Greek accountant - I wouldn't be surprised, you know what these Greeks are like ...but no, seriously I didn't hear anything like that. Also bear in mind that it is unlikely that one accountant could fix the accounts of an entire corporation undetected, if there is any truth in this then this accountant was part of a much bigger conspiracy to sink Nadir. We have to remember that Polly Peck went bankrupt so it is not purely a fabrication of accounts they really were up sh!t creek. Probably what counts against Nadir most is the fact he fled the country, which comes close to incriminating him. Having said this he at least deserves a fair trial but he has not done himself any favours.

Alexis

I did not mean to imply that the accountant fixed his accounts but instead gave out the details of his dirty dealings. In that era there were a lot of dodgy accounts flying around and most of the firms dealing in that way went under and that is why I said that that particular crime is less offencive to me than the rest of the things he and his father did. I think at the right time the Turks should take care of him. The British will be too lenient.

[Kikapu]

[. We have to remember that Polly Peck went bankrupt

The way I understood, regarding Polly Peck, they were the pioneers in "cooking the books" so to inflate the stock prices, much like Enron and other companies that went bust, when the stock market crashed in 2000. Polly Peck (what a name) enticed investors to buy their stock, since the price was going up, up, up and up. Finally Mr Nadir took the money and ran. It was a classic "pyramid scam".

[zan]

[. We have to remember that Polly Peck went bankrupt

The way I understood, regarding Polly Peck, they were the pioneers in "cooking the books" so to inflate the stock prices, much like Enron and other companies that went bust, when the stock market crashed in 2000. Polly Peck (what a name) enticed investors to buy their stock, since the price was going up, up, up and up. Finally Mr Nadir took the money and ran. It was a classic "pyramid scam".

He ran away with nothing but the money he conned out of the TCs in London with a hard luck story. Even his assets were ceased in Cyprus. That is what I hate him for most. Several members of my greater family fell for his rubbish.

[Piratis]

Piratis why do you blindly continue to push the angle of Ottoman opression, you conveneintly forget the British rule which was after the Turks.

I do not forget anything. Greek Cypriots have been enslaved by the Turks, the British and many more. Today our human rights are still violated and foreign armies still occupy parts of our country.

You seem to forget everything, even what is happening right now, and you are trying to blame GCs for some incidents that happened over a tiny part of our history.

Even during that tiny part of history that you accuse GCs about, TCs made a similar amount of mistakes and crimes that you again seem to conveniently forget.

So what is your argument? That the Turks, British etc, can commit crimes at will in Cyprus and suffer no consequences, while GCs were given half a chance and thats it? It was fine when Turks enslaved GCs for 3 centuries, it was fine when British did it, it is fine that Turks today again illegaly occupy Cyprus for 32 years, and the only thing that is not OK is the 1 decade that GCs along with TCs made mistakes and crimes, and therefore TCs have to be rewarded and GCs punished again?

It is all about the balance of power. Turks, British etc, are powerful and they continue to oppress Greek Cypriots like they have done during the most part of our history. That is the reason for anything important happening in Cyprus. Everything else is just excuses.

I have concluded long time ago that we have to work for this balance to change. Kicking Turkey as far from EU as possible is the first good step. Turkey overrun by Islamists a nice second step. Independence for Kurdistan a positive 3rd step, and the solution of the Cyprus problem will then be much closer.

Tension began in 1963 when Makarios proposed thirteen amendments to the constitution of the Republic of Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots were opposed to the proposal since it removed some of the rights they received as part of the 1960 settlement. On 21 December 1963, clashes between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots erupted, with Greek Cypriot paramilitaries slaughtering hundreds of Turkish Cypriots.

And since when it is a crime to propose changes to unfair parameters of the constitution? (e.g. that the 18% of TC minority should have 30% of governmental jobs). And if you will say " Greek Cypriot paramilitaries slaughtering hundreds of Turkish Cypriots" then you also have to say " Turkish Cypriot paramilitaries slaughtering hundreds of Greek Cypriots", since this is what happened during that conflict. So stop being so one sided G.Man. The next time somebody commits a crime against your country maybe I should send you a post card making fun of you. I will see if you will like it then, especially if you will have a victim within your own family.

[Kikapu]

[. We have to remember that Polly Peck went bankrupt

The way I understood, regarding Polly Peck, they were the pioneers in "cooking the books" so to inflate the stock prices, much like Enron and other companies that went bust, when the stock market crashed in 2000. Polly Peck (what a name) enticed investors to buy their stock, since the price was going up, up, up and up. Finally Mr Nadir took the money and ran. It was a classic "pyramid scam".

He ran away with nothing but the money he conned out of the TCs in London with a hard luck story. Even his assets were ceased in Cyprus. That is what I hate him for most. Several members of my greater family fell for his rubbish.

So what happened to the money ???. Surely, he must have sold of his holdings at the high end of the stock price, before fleeing.

[zan]

[. We have to remember that Polly Peck went bankrupt

The way I understood, regarding Polly Peck, they were the pioneers in "cooking the books" so to inflate the stock prices, much like Enron and other companies that went bust, when the stock market crashed in 2000. Polly Peck (what a name) enticed investors to buy their stock, since the price was going up, up, up and up. Finally Mr Nadir took the money and ran. It was a classic "pyramid scam".

He ran away with nothing but the money he conned out of the TCs in London with a hard luck story. Even his assets were ceased in Cyprus. That is what I hate him for most. Several members of my greater family fell for his rubbish.

So what happened to the money ???. Surely, he must have sold of his holdings at the high end of the stock price, before fleeing.

As you said he went bankrupt before he had the chance.

[G.Man]

Tension began in 1963 when Makarios proposed thirteen amendments to the constitution of the Republic of Cyprus. Turkish Cypriots were opposed to the proposal since it removed some of the rights they received as part of the 1960 settlement. On 21 December 1963, clashes between Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots erupted, with Greek Cypriot paramilitaries slaughtering hundreds of Turkish Cypriots.

And since when it is a crime to propose changes to unfair parameters of the constitution? (e.g. that the 18% of TC minority should have 30% of governmental jobs). And if you will say " Greek Cypriot paramilitaries slaughtering hundreds of Turkish Cypriots" then you also have to say " Turkish Cypriot paramilitaries slaughtering hundreds of Greek Cypriots", since this is what happened during that conflict. So stop being so one sided G.Man. The next time somebody commits a crime against your country maybe I should send you a post card making fun of you. I will see if you will like it then, especially if you will have a victim within your own family.

Piratis, you can make as much fun of the uk as you like, here I will kick you off... It is a chav ridden, drug cultured, crime ridden cess pit!

I am not biased, I see both sides, something you fail abysmally on...

I know crimes were committed on both sides, its you that fails to acknowledge it and only see turkish crimes, and the crimes of a few people that have bought some dodgy homes..

The fact is, that the agreements made in 1960 were fair and amicable and agreed by all, the GC's kicked off, so Makarious made changes to that 3 way agreed constitution, then the TC's kicked off...

The rest is just the aftermath...

[miltiades]

rolo , can you concentrate on the future and the present , the 60s is a bygone era just as the Ottoman invasion of an earlier age namely the 16th century. For as long as today's absurd actions are excused by past wrongs the solution will take that much longer. Come out and tell the world that Cyprus is not Greek not Turkish but Cypriot and encourage all those around you to see the absurdity of denying our identity as Cypriots.

[Pyrpolizer]

If Turkey is a puppy at 80, what was the RoC at age 14 when Turkey invaded? Mistakes were made by the RoC at it's very birth yet Turkey want to eternally punish the RoC?? Allowances should be made given the age of the ROC, surely?

best gc point ive heard.
i can not argue with you - you are right

Many tcs can also claim 3500 years of cypriot history through conversions dont forget. did they deserve a butchering, being thrown out into enclaves, and denied unhindered outside access and issolation?

Best TC point I ‘ve heard.

May I add that the Tcs are not Turks, the GCs are not Greeks and todays Turks are not Ottomans.
Also we the GCs should not overlook the hidden messages the Tcs send to us every day, that they rely on us for help to get rid of the Turks.

NB. Thanks to Mehmet and rolo who at least were brave enough to say something about the wrong doings on GC properties.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

I do not forget anything. Greek Cypriots have been enslaved by the Turks, the British and many more. Today our human rights are still violated and foreign armies still occupy parts of our country.

This is good to know when considering reuniting with the south and should serve as a good example for all TCs to see that people like Piratis who I am certain are the majority in the south exist and will never forget the past, they will wait for a time which is right to do what they have to do.

You seem to forget everything, even what is happening right now, and you are trying to blame GCs for some incidents that happened over a tiny part of our history.

I do not try to hold you responsible for what your great great great... ancestors did to mine as don't forget they may be the same. But I and many TCs do recall what happened to me and my family only 42 years ago...

Even during that tiny part of history that you accuse GCs about, TCs made a similar amount of mistakes and crimes that you again seem to conveniently forget.

It was that "tiny" part of history where for the first time you had the opportunity to build a united Cyprus with us but what did you do, from the day you signed the 1960 agreements you had hidden agendas not for a united independent Cyprus but you wanted to dilute those precautionary rights given to TCs in order to give Cyprus to Greece with or without its TC population, either way we would have been doomed, due to your selfish actions...

So what is your argument?

You played with that bomb, so don't complain about the current situation and look for ways to compromise and genuinely try to find a solution.

That the Turks, British etc, can commit crimes at will in Cyprus and suffer no consequences, while GCs were given half a chance and thats it? It was fine when Turks enslaved GCs for 3 centuries, it was fine when British did it, it is fine that Turks today again illegaly occupy Cyprus for 32 years, and the only thing that is not OK is the 1 decade that GCs along with TCs made mistakes and crimes, and therefore TCs have to be rewarded and GCs punished again?

and it was for this reason event in our history lead to the culmination of the 1960s agreements, the only chance you had to rule yourselves and create a Cypriot people, but what do you do? play with that damn bomb. The damage has been done the only way is to look for ways that will prove we can reunite or agree to separate for good.

It is all about the balance of power. Turks, British etc, are powerful and they continue to oppress Greek Cypriots like they have done during the most part of our history. That is the reason for anything important happening in Cyprus. Everything else is just excuses.

The you wait for that swing and when it comes please do your worst.

I have concluded long time ago that we have to work for this balance to change. Kicking Turkey as far from EU as possible is the first good step. Turkey overrun by Islamists a nice second step. Independence for Kurdistan a positive 3rd step, and the solution of the Cyprus problem will then be much closer.

If that's your calculated strategy then go for it but don't complain if things don't go your way and you have not only a disinterested Turkey but also you have succeeded to piss of the EU and UN who are already not convinced that you genuinely desire reunification via balanced compromise.

And since when it is a crime to propose changes to unfair parameters of the constitution? (e.g. that the 18% of TC minority should have 30% of governmental jobs)

When those proposals try to undermine the essence of an agreement you committed yourself to only 3 years ago to ensure the TCs are eliminated from the decision making process to insure an easy "majority" rule path to becoming Greece.