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[Kikapu]

Couple of months ago, I made the accusation that EU was using Cyprus to keep Turkey out of the EU membership. I still believe that is spot on.

Well now, I'm also beginning to see signs, that Turkey now, is also using Cyprus, to try and stay out of the EU membership.!!

So why all the game playing you may be asking.??

Well, neither the EU or Turkey wants to be seen as wanting to reject the other directly, so both sides are using Cyprus to do each others dirty work.

But why doesn't Turkey want to be in the EU.???

I can see few reasons, which has been discussed before. But I think Turkey has come to realization, there are more important things than joining the EU. After all, just by playing "hardball" with EU, to help the EU to keep herself out, will be rewarded with "special agreements" later on, with a huge sigh of relief, from rest of the EU members, except of course Cyprus, because of what will become of "Northern Cyprus".

The main reason why Turkey is doing a complete 180° turn on EU, is the Iraq war. They can see how badly the war is going and how badly the Americans are seen in that region. America is losing the war in Iraq and in America, with the American citizens, so it will be a matter of time, before America gives up in Iraq, just like they did in Vietnam, and goes home. This will cause Iraq to break up into 3 pieces. The Kurds, which have enjoyed Americas protection for the last 15 years, the Sunnis, which the Americans hate, and the Shiite, which the Americans do not trust, because of their close ties to Iran.

Once America leaves Iraq, it's going to be every man for himself, and that will be the time for Turkey to move into the Kurdish area of Kirkuk, where large amount of oil fields are located. They will secure those oil fields and oppressed the Kurds in that region. This will be almost impossible to do if they were a member of the EU. I believe, these are the main reasons for Turkeys refusal to go along with the EU demands, to meet her obligations towards the EU membership. The sad part is, as I said before, both the EU and Turkey are happy to "grandstand" at each other, using Cyprus as a pawn.

If my suspicions are correct, regarding all of the above, the solution to so called "Cyprus problem" will be doomed and the partition will happen. Sure, the EU will pretend that they are not happy and will impose short term "hand slapping" just to show that they are behind member state Cyprus, but the end conclusion will be, North and South Cyprus.

[rolo]

Kikapu


dont know if i agree with it but i must admit your theory does make sense.

[boomerang]

I don't think the americans will pack up and leave without securing the oil...this why they went to war in the first place, or you think they had the liberating the Iraqis in mind...

And for sure I do not thing they will leave it to Turkey...

And if what you are saying is true, how is Turkey going to manage all these kurds when she is having major problems in subduing her own turks...

as far as everyone using Cyprus yes its obvious... the last 32 years noone cared and now they care?...thye are killing us with their care lol

and for the priveledge partership, I doubt Greece will go for all that...the aegan springs to mind...as far as Greece is concerned is either your in the club, preference one or preference 2 you are completely out...

[Kikapu]

I don't think the americans will pack up and leave without securing the oil...this why they went to war in the first place, or you think they had the liberating the Iraqis in mind...

And for sure I do not thing they will leave it to Turkey...

And if what you are saying is true, how is Turkey going to manage all these kurds when she is having major problems in subduing her own turks...

as far as everyone using Cyprus yes its obvious... the last 32 years noone cared and now they care?...thye are killing us with their care lol

and for the priveledge partership, I doubt Greece will go for all that...the aegan springs to mind...as far as Greece is concerned is either your in the club, preference one or preference 2 you are completely out...

That is true, America went to war, along with the Brits in Iraq for the oil. All the other reasons were pure bullshit. They knew it would be a cake walk kicking Saddam's ass, at a cost of few hundred US and British soldiers. This would all be rewarded by the Iraqis kissing Bush's and Blair's ass, to say thank you. Then the oil fields will be in the hands of the US. Also building permanent military bases to maintain control of the region, since the US left / kicked out of Saudi Arabia. So far so good.

Well, we all know what has happened since the invasion. Today, US is spending $2 Billion Dollars a week in Iraq and an average of about 20 soldiers dead in the same period. Iraq is producing around 2 Million barrels a day, so about 14 million barrels a week. At $60 Dollars a barrel, it comes to $840 Million Dollars a week. Even, if all this money went to the US, they are losing at least $1 Billion a week. Of course, they are not getting anything at all, so why stay.

Turkey is a strong allied to the USA and Britain, with air bases in Turkey. Pretty soon, when USA leave Iraq, their main military base in the region will be in Turkey. USA rather have Kirkuk oil fields in the hands of Turkey, than the Sunnis or the Shiites. Turkey will want the oil fields to deprive oil money for the Kurds, as not to be able to purchase weapons to be used against Turkey, and to try to establish an independent Kurdish State. Turkey will guard the oil, which the USA, will have access to it, to be supplied to America.

Greece and Cyprus will try and block any "special agreement" between Turkey and the EU, but I do not think they will succeed, and even if they were able to, there's no reason individual EU members will not set up their own individual agreements with Turkey, based on the same lines, as the EU body would have.

I cannot see any logical reasons, as to why Turkey is threatening to back away from the EU membership, unless they have bigger and better deal in their minds.

[Pyrpolizer]

Well, we all know what has happened since the invasion. Today, US is spending $2 Billion Dollars a week in Iraq and an average of about 20 soldiers dead in the same period. Iraq is producing around 2 Million barrels a day, so about 14 million barrels a week. At $60 Dollars a barrel, it comes to $840 Million Dollars a week. Even, if all this money went to the US, they are losing at least $1 Billion a week. Of course, they are not getting anything at all, so why stay.

Your whole argumentation is based on these are important figures dear Kikapu. Could you please provide a link regarding your source?
I really doubt the cost for the Americans is 2 billion a day. I also doubt it is a cost over and above their running costs. What I am saying is maybe their running cost could be included so the 2 billion is not really 2 billion it might be 1.9 running (without war activity)+0.1 due to Iraq war activity.
I also doubt the TOTAL oil production of Iraq, and the ZERO figure of free oil the Americans get for themselves without paying anyone.

[Kikapu]

Well, we all know what has happened since the invasion. Today, US is spending $2 Billion Dollars a week in Iraq and an average of about 20 soldiers dead in the same period. Iraq is producing around 2 Million barrels a day, so about 14 million barrels a week. At $60 Dollars a barrel, it comes to $840 Million Dollars a week. Even, if all this money went to the US, they are losing at least $1 Billion a week. Of course, they are not getting anything at all, so why stay.

Your whole argumentation is based on these are important figures dear Kikapu. Could you please provide a link regarding your source?
I really doubt the cost for the Americans is 2 billion a day. I also doubt it is a cost over and above their running costs. What I am saying is maybe their running cost could be included so the 2 billion is not really 2 billion it might be 1.9 running (without war activity)+0.1 due to Iraq war activity.
I also doubt the TOTAL oil production of Iraq, and the ZERO figure of free oil the Americans get for themselves without paying anyone.

Pyrpolizer,

First of all, I get information from various sources and then I string them together, so do not expect to see what I write in one location somewhere else.

I think you read my post just a bit too fast, because the cost figures I gave, was per week, and not per day. So I think this little error should satisfy your other questions. American tax payers has already gave 300 Billion for the war in Iraq and Afghanistan. We all know where the majority of the money is going, and that is Iraq.

I only wish the Iraq war cost was only 20th of the 2 Billion we are spending per week. No my friend, the running cost to maintain our troops at home plus equipment use and maintenance, plus training will be no where 1.9 Billion per week, for 135,000 thousand troops, not to mention, a great deal of troops in Iraq right now, are from the National Guards, which means, they have / had regular jobs to go to everyday, so they were not on the military payroll 100%. These costs in Iraq are for everything from meals to equipment maintenance to equipment replacement to paying for the jet fuel to carry our dead and wounded soldiers back to the States. I hope you will agree with me, that war costs more than peace.

I don't think America is getting any free oil. Iraq needs the oil money to run their own country, which is being destroyed day by day. No doubt, there those who are getting very rich from the oil money, as well as from the American Tax money. American corporations who are in Iraq, thanks to Bush and Cheney, are raping the American Treasury as long as this war continues. That's why the war will not end, until Bush leaves office, and another 200 Billion down the drain, with several hundred more dead US soldiers and thousands wounded.

Just one more miscalculation by our criminal leaders in Washington, as to how they sold the war to the mostly gullible Americans. I had friends in the States who really thought the price of petrol was going to 50 cents a gallon, just like it was 30 years ago, once we grabbed those oil fields like a thief in the night. So they were all for the war. Hell with the WMD whether we find them or not, just give me cheap gas for my car was the thinking for most. Shortsighted fools.

[paaul12]

Kikapu:

Great post u get my vote, i would go along with all u have 2 say. well thought out and u r probally correct with your view.

USA rules, i guess.

[rolo]

kikapu

i dont know about the figures but USA and Britain will soon have to leave - correct on that. Then the usual power-vacuum thing, probable (if not already) civil war. The eventual break-up , but whats stopping the USA siding with the Kurds and splitting the oil?

[Pyrpolizer]

Kikapu,

Your post belongs to the sphere of valuable, rare, interesting and very informative ones. Don’t be discouraged of the not so many responses, be sure we read them, and appreciate them.

[Kikapu]

Kikapu,

Your post belongs to the sphere of valuable, rare, interesting and very informative ones. Don’t be discouraged of the not so many responses, be sure we read them, and appreciate them.

Thanks a lot. When something crosses my mind, I'll put it out there for all to see, and do as they wish with it. I do keep an open mind, no matter what the issues are. I can praise a country or condemn it at the same time, it all depends what the issues are. I do not take sides with anyone. I tell it the way it is. I may not be correct all the time, but I still tell it the way I see it.

Thanks again, it's a nice compliment.