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[Kifeas]

According to 'Elko' on another board the Orams case is now dead as Apostolides only registered an appeal against the court costs awarded against him.

That's not accurate! Apostolides registered an appeal against the merits of the judgment.

[elko]

According to 'Elko' on another board the Orams case is now dead as Apostolides only registered an appeal against the court costs awarded against him.

That's not accurate! Apostolides registered an appeal against the merits of the judgment.

1. Solveit, the above quote is not accurate. Indeed it is not a quote but a reference to what I wrote as you understood it. I am not implying that it is a deliberate misstatement, simply a genuine misunderstanding. I think a quote of the relevant sentence would have been more accurate. Anyway no harm done.
2. As Solveit said I reported on another board showing Cyprus Form as my reference and said that the appeal is only against the costs. This was based on what Rolo and Zan wrote above.
3. Kifeas, is it possible to refer us to anything substantial for a clarification of this issue, about the nature of the appeal.
4. If the appeal is against the substance of the decision, would anyone care to comment on the legal aspects as I outlined the important bits in my original post at the top of this list?
5. Lastly but not least, even if no appeal is made except the costs, the matter is not dead. According to International Law including Justice jack's verdict, the land belongs to Apostolides and simply the court ruling of ROC cannot be enforced in UK and by inference in other European countries. What happens from now onwards must be the subject of another looooong article. Too many ifs and buts and International politics.
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[StuartN]

It's apparently common knowledge in both N and S Cyprus legal circles that the whole thing is being financed by the GC Govt - I wouldn't be at all suprised if Apostilides lawyers were instructed by the GC Govt to identify somebody who owned property in both TRNC and UK and to find a willing claimant who'd be willing to take it through the courts! - I bet they target somebody in Karaman next.......

[Kifeas]

It's apparently common knowledge in both N and S Cyprus legal circles that the whole thing is being financed by the GC Govt - I wouldn't be at all suprised if Apostilides lawyers were instructed by the GC Govt to identify somebody who owned property in both TRNC and UK and to find a willing claimant who'd be willing to take it through the courts! - I bet they target somebody in Karaman next.......

As a matter of fact this was not the case, at least in the initial stages. Nevertheless, why would it make a difference whether it was or it was not initiated by the RoC?

[Sotos]

It's apparently common knowledge in both N and S Cyprus legal circles that the whole thing is being financed by the GC Govt

It is not Papadopulos that had his wife defending convicted criminals.

[Viewpoint]

The whole thing was staged by the "RoC" and this paid lawyer Coundani-ass to create as much negative coverage as possible to bring development in the north to a stand still, in the short term this may have paid dividends but a report in Kibris only today confirms that interest and sales have started to improve due to the result of this case. Well done you have succeeded in shooting yourselves in the foot yet again. The only way to solve this problem is via negotiations not via the courts which as you can see can backfire.

[Pyrpolizer]

2. Point of Fact. Justice Jack found that Orams were not given enough time to put in their defences and the decision in ROC court was taken in their absence. Hence even if it was not for Protocol 10, he would still refuse the application of Apostolides.

As far as I remember this refers to the first appearance at the court in Nicosia. The same arguments "that the first trial did not give the defendants enough time, thus the default initial decision was invalid" were even accepted by the court in Nicosia and the first judgement was put aside. So the trial was REPEATED some time later. It seems Justice Jack totally ignored the fact that the default judgement was put aside and the trial was REPEATED. And that the time between the two trials was more than enough for everybody to prepare his defense.

While we were discussing the Orams case in other topics I did mention the fact that it was pretty obvious that Apostolides had someone very powerful behind him, most propably one of the known GC multimillioneurs.Things don’t move so fast in Cypriot courts, absolutely impossible. Just to have a simple case of a bounced cheque tried at a Cypriot court, an ordinary citizen needs a minimum of 2 years!! How could this guy ever file such a case and have a judgement ruled out within 15 days???

Regardless, the Orams have filed an appeal at the Nicosia supreme court. The date for this appeal is somewhere in December this year. On completion of this appeal the findings of justice Jack become irrelevant, as nobody can still claim there was not enough time to get prepared anymore.

So the only issue to be left is whether the non application of the Aquis at the occupied is a valid reason for British courts to refuse action on admitted crimes done in the occupied by a British citizen against another EU citizen.

Justice Jack in fact did mention in his decision that clarification of what protocol 10 means is the job of a higher court than his.In other words he just threw the ball to a higher British Court or even to the EU court itself.

NB. RoC already applied to the EU for clarification regarding the meaning of protocol 10. The British court of appeals may well have no options left when the appeal will be heard.

[Viewpoint]

or and there is always an or all this effort maybe in vain and the case may stand as is... you would do better trying to find a solution than running around legal courts to get decision you cannot impose, all the Orams and other Brits have to do to blow this whole case out of the water is sell their property in the UK. Then you will be the river without a paddle and a hefty lawyers bill of what was it? 800.000 pounds? ironic really the land is not worth that much buy hey the principle is and there are lot of rich Greeks will to cough up.

[Piratis]

Talking about justice in the UK about this case is ridiculous. I had my reservations from the beginning, but after it was announced that Blair had his wife defending those scums everything became clear.

We should serve justice ourselves, and the Orams and similar scums should know that justice will be served in one way or another either they like it or not.

[Kikapu]

We should serve justice ourselves, and the Orams and similar scums should know that justice will be served in one way or another either they like it or not.

Would you like to clarify the above statement.?

Sounds to me like, if anyone buys Greek property in the TRNC, they will be buying "Death Wish".!!