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[souroul]

Well if they are going to complain because they do not like the nationality of 1 of the visiting EU nationals, where will it end???, im sorry but that sort of behavour sounds like someone was throwing their dummy out of the pram, can they just not grow up and deal with the issues in a responsible grown up manner please

It is not about his nationality, rather his past behaviour. That man snatched a Turkish flag from the border, and was conviceted in the courts of TRNC. It is a shame that he is even a member of the EU environmental comission.

do you think anybody gives a crap about a conviction not recognized by 99% of the world? and the fact that he's still an MEP may open your eyes and see that people dont blame him for what he's done, especially for what some have done to his country

[souroul]

Matsakis is a disgrace. They know the reasons very well why he was not wanted in the delegation but see how the article is twisted. What a mentality.
I am in favour of free speech and always criticize the Turkish Criminal Code about it but look at Europe, who is talking. It is a crime in France, Austria and so on to argue that the Armenian Genocide did not take place. Whether true or not is another matter. Are these the countries who are going to teach Turkey freedom of speech? Hypocrites!!
ismet

you should go to jail for critisizing your country then. would you like to compare the criminal code of those countries to your own and then pick one? it may not be perfect, but guess what, its a lot better than what you have right now.

as for the armenian genocide...

International bodies that recognize the Armenian genocide include the European Parliament, the Council of Europe, the United Nations Sub-Commission on Prevention of Discrimination and Protection of Minorities[citation needed], the International Center for Transitional Justice, based on a report prepared for TARC, the International Association of Genocide Scholars[35], the Union of American Hebrew Congregations, the World Council of Churches, the self declared unofficial Parliament of Kurdistan in Exile[36], and the Permanent Peoples' Tribunal.

do you really want to argue with them?

Although there is no federal recognition of the Armenian Genocide, 39 of the 50 U.S. states recognize the events of 1915 to 1917 as genocide.

In recent years, parliaments of a number of countries where Armenian diaspora has a strong presence have officially recognized the event as genocide. Two recent examples are France and Switzerland. Turkish entry talks with the European Union were met with a number of calls to consider the event as genocide, though it never became a precondition.
Political map showing states which have officially recognized the Armenian Genocide.
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Political map showing states which have officially recognized the Armenian Genocide.

Countries officially recognizing the Armenian genocide include Argentina, Armenia, Austria, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Cyprus, France, Germany, Greece, Italy, Lebanon, Lithuania, The Netherlands, Poland, Russia, Slovakia, Sweden, Switzerland, Uruguay, Vatican City and Venezuela. Although part of the United Kingdom, Wales also officially recognizes the Armenian Genocide.

OR THEM?

[elko]

souroul,
Parliaments are not the correct places to determine past historical events, at such places you get politics and distorted history. The correct procedure is to let the historians prove the past.
Now to the main point: Those countries who do not have freedom of speech like France and Austria have no right to demand such from other countries. As simple as that. "My laws are better than yours" kind of argument does not wash. What I expect from honest people is to say that such laws restricting freedom of speech are wrong, full stop.
Do not worry, I am used not to expect such rational behaviour from the majority of Greek Cypriots whenever Turkey has anything to do with it. No cure, hopeless case!!
ismet

[pantheman]

This is just further proof that our TC brothers do really want it both ways.Convicted in the TRNC. Ha ha ha, firstly an illegal state which makes it a kangaroo court, its not recognised by no one wake up. Further, The orams were onvicted int the RoC court but oh not that don't count !!!

This is just typical of turkeys stance on all matters, my way or the high way. This is the real reason we still wait 32 years and counting. Come on guys, you are presented with prime opportunities to show the world you are ready for it, and alas no, you still play silly beggers. Matsakis maybe an idiot, he may have taken down a turkish flag (you guys shot dead a another GC for doing that remember) but if you can't let bygones be bygones what chance do TCs and GCs have.

I think you need to wakeup and smell the coffee, you ain't going nowhere with such childish behaviour, you have just brought your selves down and lower than matsakis level.

You have made your own beds here, now sleep in them

You need to be doing some serious thinking at home and when you think you maybe ready then come and tell the world.

Pantheman

[Strahd]

Turkish mentality(mass schizzo) for dummies

1. The whole world is evil we are good
2. The whole world is wrong we are right
3. The whole world is stupid we are clever
4. Have you read the genocide files?
5. Evryone is lying we are fighting for the truth.
6. The whole world history is a propaganda against the Turkish ideal...

[zan]

Turkish mentality(mass schizzo) for dummies

1. The whole world is evil we are good
2. The whole world is wrong we are right
3. The whole world is stupid we are clever
4. Have you read the genocide files?
5. Evryone is lying we are fighting for the truth.
6. The whole world history is a propaganda against the Turkish ideal...

Ah! A classic case brought on by the scheming and lying Greek propaganda. Take two aspirin and go to bed.

[EUropean666]

I wonder what a turkish flag was doing in Cyprus? Are there any cypriot flags in Turkey? EU does not know any banana republic like TRNC but soon Turkey will become a banana republic like TRNC, Azerbaijan and Ali G's fav country which is Kazaksthan.

Turkey has not understood what is EU, and will never do, u better go with your asian friends.

[zan]

I wonder what a turkish flag was doing in Cyprus? Are there any cypriot flags in Turkey? EU does not know any banana republic like TRNC but soon Turkey will become a banana republic like TRNC, Azerbaijan and Ali G's fav country which is Kazaksthan.

Turkey has not understood what is EU, and will never do, u better go with your asian friends.

The Turkish flags are there to counteract the Greek flags and the EOKA and ENOSIS propaganda that is still on display in the south. They are there because the TRNC asked them to be.


By the way, it is Borat that comes from Kazakstan and not Ali G and I hope you realise that niether of them are real Maybe a bit too much television

[miltiades]

ELCO WROTE>>
""""Those countries who do not have freedom of speech like France and Austria have no right to demand such from other countries. """

France and Austria Elco , is this another one of your brilliant imaginary theories such as the collapse of EU ?
Since when did France and Austria abandoned freedom of speech , perhaps you can enlighten us.

[zan]

ELCO WROTE>>
""""Those countries who do not have freedom of speech like France and Austria have no right to demand such from other countries. """

France and Austria Elco , is this another one of your brilliant imaginary theories such as the collapse of EU ?
Since when did France and Austria abandoned freedom of speech , perhaps you can enlighten us.

http://foreigndispatches.typepad.com/di ... _spee.html

November 24, 2005
Freedom of Speech in France
One more reason to despise the French state (not that there was any shortage of reasons to do so before).


A French court agreed yesterday to consider a complaint brought by a conservative MP against the rapper Monsieur R for referring to France as a slut in a song.

The court in Melun, south of Paris, said it would rule early next year on the complaint filed by Daniel Mach, MP for the Pyrénées Orientales, who said he had the backing of 150 MPs but was bringing the action "on my own personal account, because I feel assaulted by these insults. They are a real attack on the dignity of France and of the state."


Mr Mach alleged that on the song FranSSe, from Monsieur R's latest album Politikment Incorrekt, Monsieur R - whose real name is Richard Makela - raps: "France is a bitch, don't forget to fuck her till she's exhausted/You have to treat her like a slut, man." At another point, Mr Makela says: "I piss on Napoleon and on General de Gaulle."

Since when have states had "dignity" to be attacked? It's scary that one can actually be taken to court for saying something like this in a supposedly free and open society, but that is exactly the problem with France: it is not an open society, but an ossified statist monstrosity which provides neither opportunity for newcomers nor freedom for them to fully express themselves either in speech or in dress.