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[Issy1956]

Piratis,
At one time the Turks of Crete were more numerous than the Turks of Cyprus. Following enosis with Greece how many Turks are left in Crete today?

[andri_cy]

I would take a wild guess and say none?

[Piratis]

Feel free to do this whenever or if the balance of power goes your way and please ensure you annihilates all TCs this time, but until that time arrives, stop banding about empty threats. When I'm America I will get back what I lost you sound ridiculous.

Cyprus doesn't need to become a superpower. Is Latvia a superpower? No, but the managed to gain independence from a superpower even with 30% Russians in their country.

Was Greece a superpower when they were liberated from the Ottomans? Again the answer is no.

So I am afraid you do not understand what I am talking about and you are so arrogant to believe that Turks will always have the power to force illegalities in Cyprus. One day you will wake up.

At one time the Turks of Crete were more numerous than the Turks of Cyprus. Following enosis with Greece how many Turks are left in Crete today?

An exchange of population between Greece and Turkey happened. What you say about Turks in Crete can be said about Greeks in what is now called Turkey. What is for sure is that the aggressors were always the Turks. The Greeks didn't go to Mongolia to take any Turkish land, they were always only defending their own land which was under attack by the Turks.

[Kikapu]

Piratis,

Maybe to solve the problems in Cyprus is not the "Balance of Power" but instead, "Balance of Population". If there were equal number of Turkish speaking people to Greek speaking people, then it could be seen more balanced, and no threat of feeling under represented by the Government. That would mean of course, another 400,000 Turkish mainland's coming to Cyprus.????

On the other hand, as Natty would say, "well, I could be wrong".!!

[Issy1956]

K,
I am sure they can find at least 400,000 willing to immigrate to N.Cyprus. Maybe more if the prospect of EU citizenship is dangled before them. No problem at all. This would redress the demographic issue. No sure how Piratis would feel about this though. Not sure he would appreciate being a minority in his own country. By the way where is Piratis country? Does anyone know if he was born in Cyprus or lives in there now.

[Kikapu]

K,
I am sure they can find at least 400,000 willing to immigrate to N.Cyprus. Maybe more if the prospect of EU citizenship is dangled before them. No problem at all. This would redress the demographic issue. No sure how Piratis would feel about this though. Not sure he would appreciate being a minority in his own country. By the way where is Piratis country? Does anyone know if he was born in Cyprus or lives in there now.

I believe Piratis is a Cypriot, as he often talks about "my Country" being ethnically cleansed by the 40,000 Turkish Troops. As to where he is living, I would take a guess and say, he is in the States, if I read correctly between the lines on some of his posts. Of course, that is not relevant as to where he lives. I left Cyprus back in 1964, but have not lost my roots, no matter where I go.

[Viewpoint]

Piratis

Cyprus doesn't need to become a superpower. Is Latvia a superpower? No, but the managed to gain independence from a superpower even with 30% Russians in their country.

Was Greece a superpower when they were liberated from the Ottomans? Again the answer is no.

So I am afraid you do not understand what I am talking about and you are so arrogant to believe that Turks will always have the power to force illegalities in Cyprus. One day you will wake up.

Wow with all the super examples you have so kindly provided above you must be very hopeful and very happy to wait for the swing in power to go your way.

Well done Piratis you seem to have solved everything and soon you will have the whole island to yourselves...a GCs utopia.

[Piratis]

Well done Piratis you seem to have solved everything and soon you will have the whole island to yourselves...a GCs utopia.

Viewpoint, the Ottomans had under their empire huge regions for 100s of years. It is not an utopia but a reality that the balance of power shifts in ways that can not be conceived by those arrogant people who currently have the power and they think they will always have it.

If you base your policies not on universal principles such as democracy and human rights, and you are just trying to use your power to gain on the loss of others, then be sure the day will come that you will regret it.

I am sure they can find at least 400,000 willing to immigrate to N.Cyprus.

Here we go again with threats for even more illegalities. Don't you know Issy that what you advocate is illegal according to international law?

Yes, the initial Turks came to Cyprus before international law existed, and for the sake of peace we are more than willing to forget about the centuries of oppression that we suffered. However you keep threatening us with more middle age practices shows how hard achieving peace will be.

We didn't ask you to become a minority in Cyprus. You came here by yourselves. So what is our fault if you are a minority? That we didn't abandon our properties and culture and we didn't all become Muslims?

The Turkish empire was over a huge area. Turkish minorities exist in many of those countries. OK, so is it now the fault of those countries because they were victims of Ottoman oppression and now a Turkish minority exists within their borders?

We didn't ask you to leave, just to be equal citizens like the rest of us. (GCs, Maronites, Armenians, Latins). If thats something you reject because you think you can take more than what proportionately belongs to you by using the power of Turkey, then this just shows yet more hostility and disrespect to the rest of Cypriots, and I don't think it will be for your benefit in the end.

By the way where is Piratis country? Does anyone know if he was born in Cyprus or lives in there now.

I was born, raised and lived most part of my life in Cyprus to Cypriot parents, grand parents, grand grand parents etc etc. I now live in Cyprus and I indent to stay here. Why the question?

[Issy1956]

Piratis,
No reason other than my observation that some people (both GC and TC) born of Cypriots parents outside of Cyprus seem to be more ultra nationalist than those of us born on the island.
Please dont regard my comments regarding the influx of mainland turks as a threat-its not intended to be-merely an observation of the likely outcome of our present policies.
With regards to your comments re balance of power I agree that things change over time but in all honesty and I can be accused of being short sighted in this I am only interested in our own lifetime and I just dont see any prospect of any change in this regard.

[Piratis]

Issy, the ultra nationalists from the GC side are those that still want enosis, and the ultra nationalists among the TCs those that still want partition. If you look around you will see that there are indeed very few GC ultra nationalists, but unfortunately among TCs ultra nationalism still reigns supreme.

What I always ask for is democracy, legality, human rights for all Cypriots, and equality of all Cypriot citizens with no racist or other discriminations. Ultra nationalists are those who reject these universally accepted principles and they insist on human right violations, discrimination of citizens based on their race and undemocratic provisions that exist in no other democratic country in the whole world.