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How can we solve it? (keep it civilized)

Postby Viewpoint » Fri Oct 13, 2006 8:16 am

Piratis wrote:
AT what point did you have the opportunity to build a united Cyprus? at what point did yo u have 70% of the control to use and cultivare a Cypriot nation?? at what stage could you have administered democracy and human right for all "RoC" citizens?? and what did you do? ho that bomb Piratis if only you had left it alone.....

At no point. Even the constitution of our own country was written by others instead of allowing Cypriots to do it in a democratic way.
On the other hand, the Turks and the British had full control for centuries. How was this control used? It was used to oppress and enslave the great majority of the natives of this island.
You complain because we made a proposal that the 18% minority of Turkish Cypriots should receive proportional power instead of all those racist supremeprivileges like 30% governmental jobs. That was our "crime", while you forget that for centuries when you or the British were ruling Cyprus the great majority of Cypriots was not even asked for its opinion, let alone to be given any part of power.
Now the Turks do even worst. Not only they illegally occupy part of our country, not only they do in that part whatever they feel like without considering the legal population of that area, but they went on to ethnically cleanse us and to grossly violate our human rights again like they did for the most part of our common history on this island!!


Come on piratis now you are just being bloody minded you know full well that the only opportunity we had and the starting point for many to all our troubles was the 1960 consititution like it or not you commited to it and should have tired to make it work with us. Is it the GC way to sign asn agreement that you know you will do everything within your power to undermine and dillute the balance which was put in place so as to ensure protection of the TC minority against the threat of the GC majority who sole aim was to make Cyprus Greece.

If your main problem is the fact that we had 1 extra government job than we should have then have it, (why are you complaining you have had them all since 1963 but we wont go there for now) the balance of being able to block actions such as uniting with Greece by using a veto is more important than having a few extra government jobs.

The kin and need for vengeance for actions taken against your community by my and maybe even your ancestors is frightening, yet you continue to dismiss actions taken by your father took against mine as if it were insignificant and that Turkey just one sunny July day decided to take 37% of the island. Well Piratis you really need to take a reality check no one in their right mind would go a back to a drunken wife beating husband just because that husbands demands it. The alcoholic husband has to win back his wife's affections and prove that he will not beat and degrade her, no longer will she need her big brother to provide for her safety and that she can expect a better life living in peace and prosperity. All she sees now is that her husband is just the same alcoholic pig he was back then, nothing has changed, so why go back?
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Postby stuballstu » Fri Oct 13, 2006 1:28 pm

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My personal interests Piratis? Do elaborate what they are.


Will you deny that you do a lot of business with those criminal crooks that "buy" our properties in the occupied areas? If you are just s law obeying businessman, why don't you tell us the name of your company (we will allow you the free ad) so we will see from first hand what kind of business you do in the occupied areas of our country?


Piratis your assumptions are mind numbingly wide of the mark. The business I am in has nothing to do with ordinary members of the public. My business is strictly "trade only". I am a law obeying business man, with all my taxes paid etc etc. I can not advertise my business for two reasons. One it is against forum rules, which you as a moderator should know but repeatedly breach with your personal attacks on other members, and secondly it would serve no advantage to my company as we do not deal with the public. I do the same business in the "occupied" areas as i do in the "free" areas. What point are you trying to get to? And no i am nothing to do with construction or estate agencies.

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What on earth are you talking about? Why when you are stuck for words you resort to insults? Read the post again, and i will accept your apology for your inability to digest what you yourself wrote. If you don't understand what you are writing maybe you should consider further education.


It was not an insult. It was a question. I said "No Greek government would accept a Turkey in the EU without a fair solution to the Cyprus issue." Your reply was: "Who is Greece to judge whether a fair solution to the Cyprus problem is?". From what I said what you understood is that Greece is going to judge what a fair solution is????


Go back and read it again.

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You know what i am getting at Piratis. Prior to the Annan referendum did Greece support the Annan plan or not? Just to clarify, Greece supported what Greek Cypriot people chose, not all Cypriots as you imply.

And since GCs did not support the Annan plan then Greece didn't either. You answered the question.


The question was simple, here it is again.

Prior to the referendum in Cyprus did Greece support the Annan plan? A yes or no would suffice.

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Which of my posts are hypocritical. Excuse more crimes? My friend you are deluded. Have you considered therapy?


When you refer to the illegalities of Turkey in Cyprus you refer to them as "illegalities" in quotes. Why do you use the quotes? You clearly support the illegalities and crimes of Turkey against us, so there is no use to try to hide it.


I refer to them as illegalities as I am quoting you and your opinion. Basic English grammar but as you don't think i finished high school i wouldn't know that would I?

TODAY Turkey is illegally violating the sovereignty of our country and our human rights. This is happening right now.

What I ask is for these illegalities to stop. What reply do I get? I get lame excuses with people trying to excuse the crimes of today by selectively choosing tiny parts of history. Only then I remind those people that they have done 100 times worst and therefore they can not demand the punishment of GCs and a reward for themselves.

Therefore stop using selective parts of history to excuse crimes of today, and I will not need to remind you the other 99% of history that happened before and after the tiny part of history you choose to remember.


You posts about what happened in the 16th Century are wearing thin with the rest of the forum as the only person who seems to see any pertinence in this is you.

On one hand you say that you want a solution based on human rights without racial prejudice etc etc yet on the same paragraph state that Turks have been "oppressing" Greek Cypriots for 300 years etc etc which only goes to fuel anti Turkish hate. So here are you the racist telling everyone you want a solution which is not racist. Hypocrisy springs to mind.
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Postby Alexis » Fri Oct 13, 2006 2:44 pm

And no i am nothing to do with construction or estate agencies.


You're not part of some kind of 'due diligence' organisation (of the political kind) are you? :wink:
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Postby stuballstu » Fri Oct 13, 2006 3:36 pm

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And no i am nothing to do with construction or estate agencies.



You're not part of some kind of 'due diligence' organisation (of the political kind) are you?


LOL :lol:
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