Alexis wrote
You are right stuball but remember that discussion forums tend to thrive on disagreement rather than agreement. Of course the objective should be to either come to a concensus or agree to disagree whilst learning a little about the other person' point of view along the way, but human nature dictates that people with diametrically opposed views are going to argue. As for the Cyprob lasting this long I don't believe it would be much different if the same circumstances afflicted any other place. I am guessing that perhaps you are British and have felt that most Cypriots ae hostile against you because they blame the British for everything. I can assure you that 9 times out of 10 it is usually a misunderstanding. I too am British of Cypriot descent and I have not had too many bad experiences perhaps because I am of Cypiot descent. Of course with the history between the two countries there will be a certain amount of hostility but believe me I have experienced just as much hostility from people in Britain because of my Cypriot descent as much as from Cypriots for my British nationality. Remember that Britain and Cyprus actually have a lot of ties and relations are good between the two countries.
Alexis
Sorry i have just read my last post. With my last sentence
"That's one of the reasons the Cyprob has lasted this long as they cant even agree to dis-agree with each other and then rather than blame themselves would much rather blame the British!"was supposed to have the
beside it as it was meant tongue and cheek. Sorry for the typo.
Just for the record i do actually believe that there is as much anti British feeling in Cyprus as there is the rest of the world. A huge amount of Cypriots are British passport holder and there will always be a special relationship between Britain and all Cypriots.
Andri wroteI think you are right and I wonder why...
Usually I post things when I disagree with something, but I guess that is not good. I will try commenting on positive things too. Maybe that's what people are doing
No worries Andri. Its just a pity that some other posters and again in particular one moderator can't look at the positive in anything. You just have to look at Piratis response to my last post. One thing that Piratis is missing the point of is that it is Turkish people, people like you and I, who are changing their attitudes towards Greeks and no doubt Greeks are doing likewise. Piratis prefers to talk about the politicians and not the electorate.
Piratis wroteQuote:
legalities and illegalities are nothing to do with the EU accession.
You are very wrong. Maybe that's the case with the UK, but most other countries (who have veto power) including Cyprus, will never accept Turkey without an end to their illegal occupation.
Piratis what my point is that it is not a prerequisite of Turkey to end what you term as "illegalities". If they were so high up on the agenda of the EU then the EU would have said to Turkey to withdraw troops and end "illegalities" before you apply to join. Such chapters don't exist within their Eu accession application.
Let me put it to you another way.
Say Turkey open their ports and airports to the ROC and their accession talks continue, their domestic reforms continue and slowly but surely the chapters are all closed ( in other words they have ticked all the right boxes as laid down by the EU prior to accession talks beginning) at what point would/does the ROC use its veto? Don't you think that there would be a huge backlash for Cyprus if they did so at that point using Turkish "occupation" in Cyprus? Bare in mind Turkey has fulfilled all the criteria laid down by the EU. It would be a legal minefield and may result in Turkey receiving huge sums of compensation from the EU.
I am afraid you are the one who can not see. The support of Greece to the Turkish accession is conditional and this has been made clear time after time. No Greek government would accept a Turkey in the EU without a fair solution to the Cyprus issue.
As far as the Greek citizens go, in a poll some months ago, more Greeks rejected the EU accession of Turkey than Cypriots. (Austrians were on the top of that list). Therefore do not misunderstand the goodwill that Greece is showing. If Turkey does not respond in a similar manner for Cyprus, the Aegean and the other important issues then do not expect any support from Greece.
What utter drivel you write at times. Who is Greece to judge whether a fair solution to the Cyprus problem is? Isn't that a matter for Cypriots to decide?Greece can only support a solution the same as the rest of the International community. Did Greece support the failed Annan plan? I believe both Greece and Turkey are showing good will to each other. Do you remember the incident earlier this year when two air force planes collided in the Aegean? Twenty years ago that quite easily could have resulted in war between them. Not now that how far relations have came between them.
One final point. If other EU countries hold referenda regards Turkey's EU accession please don't mistake their no with support for Cyprus. They will vote based on the impact it will have on their country ie an influx of cheap labour and allowing the freedom of movement of another 30m + people. Most EU citizens dont really care about the Cyprus problem so would not affect there vote if the Cyprus problem was solved prior to any referenda happening.
