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[elko]

"Wishful thinking Elco/Ismet "

Let us say I will not shed any tears
ismet

[MARIKKOU]

"Wishful thinking Elco/Ismet "

Let us say I will not shed any tears
ismet

Ismet/elco

You are simply too much of a bull dust artist!

[elko]

"Wishful thinking Elco/Ismet "

Let us say I will not shed any tears
ismet

Ismet/elco

You are simply too much of a bull dust artist!

[cypezokyli]

No country in its right mind can continue negotiations when so much foul play and bad intentions is so obvious. Indeed I believe that Turkey stands to gain if she abandons her aspirations to join EU and also terminates her Customs Union Agreement with EU. Under this agreement the import-export arrangements between Turkey and 3rd countries is controlled by EU, an organization in which Turkey has no say. This is really a pathetic situation and Turkey should put an end to it.

The immediate short term results may be bad for Turkey in the sense that the value of Turkish Lira will plummet but it should recover within a year.
ismet

perhaps an answer to your remarks

Those who attack EU today will long for it tomorrow

Mehmet Ali Birand

Today, no one has anything good to say about the European Union.

By attacking the EU we only achieve a morale boost against the problems we face. We are all aware that what we are doing does not make sense and is very wrong, but today's conditions make us opt for the easy way out. The criticism we make is cheap. We are irresponsibly harming the country's future. If our arguments made sense, I wouldn't be so upset. However, the EU is being attacked only to voice opposition to the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP).

What will happen if Turkey's EU membership process is derailed tomorrow? What do you think will happen if the Turkish public loses all interest in becoming a member?

Let's cite a few examples.

Those who see themselves as the representatives of Atatürk's vision of a secularist and democratic Turkey, especially the opposition Republican People's Party (CHP), have designated the EU as their main enemy. They are portraying it as an institution that aims to divide the country and eliminate our independence. They are opposing every suggestion made by the EU.

I'll ask you this. Who will defend democracy, freedom and rights if Turkey's EU process ends tomorrow and we decide to go it alone? Who will ensure that the laws are changed?

Will Turkey be able to better fight the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), or will it be more capable of protecting its territorial integrity if it isolates itself from the EU? Or will Turkey be stronger and more capable of resisting terrorism as a member of a continental union?

The road to stabilizing the Turkish economy is EU membership.

The only reason Turkey is seen in a different light by the Islamic world and occupies a more prestigious position in the world is its relations with the EU. Can't we see this fact?

Just think about it for a second.

If the relationship with the EU is suspended and the possibility of membership is nil, one can just imagine the panic that will grip those who are seen as the most vocal detractors of the EU.

CHP members will suddenly feel like a fish out of water. Nationalists will be confused about which route to take. Those soldiers who make harsh speeches right now will be pushed outside the European defense mechanisms and will start thinking seriously. They will then reminisce about how things were, but it will be too late.

full article here
http://www.turkishdailynews.com.tr/arti ... wsid=55884

[elko]

I know Mehmet ali birand very well, he has been a very strong supporter of Europe. Nothing wrong with that but he has not touched on my reservations, he just made general remarks.
Yes Turkey has to reform for her own sake and she must do it. Surely the right way to go about it is to do it willingly rather than by pressure from Europe. It can be done.
ismet

[cypezokyli]

you think that turkey can do that alone, without outside pressure ?

[elko]

you think that turkey can do that alone, without outside pressure ?

Of course yes. Too much pressure from outside can backfire. Remember that there is a great deal of accumulated wisdom from the Ottoman Empire days. Turks can perform miracles when they are really very weak and cornered. They have this ability to sacrifice everything when the need arises. Great Nation.
ismet

[cypezokyli]

to be honest, seeing from cyprus , where we still have many ottoman attitudes inherited , i am glad that we have the EU stick to put us back in line. the same thing holds imo to many ex-ottoman countrie (greece , bulgaria etc).
bulgaria, almost blew up its accession process bc they are still unable to deal with rousfet. now, there atatus will be under control for some time (and only to bulgarias benefit if you ask me).
the same holds for cyprus. many things that people have the attitude of "well lets be quite its not that important" , we have the EU rules right now , so we are forced to take actions that alone we would have never taken. examples ? numerous. our agency responsible for air flights, is at the brick of entering a european black list. as far as that makes me sad, i am really glad that the EU will force us to follow some rules, which we would have never considered to take, and at the end of the day its only helping ourselves.

the same holds for greece , and imo for turkey as well.
if you think turkey can follow that cource alone... well i all the best.
allow me to have my reservations though.
we are too much alike

[elko]

Cypezokyli,
It was a thought provoking response and you made many valid points. I thank you for that and respect your ideas. Obviously membership of EU will have advantages as well as disadvantages. For example if you mass produce dresses, the unit cost comes down but they may not fit everyone. As I said I will be happier to stay out but there can be no absolute right or wrong in such matters.
ismet

[Tito]

file...

I live in the south but I've been around Girne and Lefkosa at night and I stopped to ask for one street late at night to some youngsters and they invited me to vodka , cigarretes and call one taxi for me......

This thing would never happens to me in this lovely side.