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[elko]

elko, sorry to bore you with my usual 'let's talk it over' approach, but don't you think that Turkey should compromise on a few things? It's not the 1900's anymore, we should, surely, move on from the enmities of the past?

That is fine. EU promised to lift the isolations and specially allow direct trade between EU and north Cyprus. What happened? ROC is using her veto power to block it and EU is trying to find a way through it. They will realize one day that the Cypriots (both sides) are obstinate goats and will not budge. So they are wasting their time.

I am old enough to remember the days when U Thant was the general Secretary of UN and whenever the two sides in Cyprus agreed in principle he got very excited and thought a final agreement was very near. Soon he discovered that Cypriots were just playing games and are more interested in scoring points. So unless we have an Annan like plan imposed on Cyprus, which is not on, the best solution is to live side by side and let the Cypriots sort their own affairs. Then they may discover fruitful cooperation. Otherwise the deadlock will continue for ever and the Turkish Cypriots are the bigger sufferers.
ismet

[Swashbuckler]

You mean as opposed to the high quality Chinese products available in the S?

You are very cruel Swashbuckler. You should not say things like that. Some of the Chinese electrical accessories like electrical sockets available in the south cannot be used in the north because the Cyprus Turkish Electrical Authority will not allow it. They are very substandard and not safe to use. On the other hand the Chinese make some good quality products too. For instance I import KIPOR digital generators which are very silent, efficient and reliable.
ismet

Just poking fun at her comments Ismet. Found it silly for her to equate some products on sale as crap because they were chinese.

But let's be honest too. The TRNC authorities allow importation from TR. Whilst the products may be up to spec the plugs (Euro type) dont fit the sockets (UK type) properly which means many appliances aren't earthed correctly.

[elko]

Swashbuckler wrote:
But let's be honest too. The TRNC authorities allow importation from TR. Whilst the products may be up to spec the plugs (Euro type) don't fit the sockets (UK type) properly which means many appliances aren't earthed correctly.

This is a sore point with me. The import of electrical goods and accessories are subject to an approval licence obtained from the Chamber of Cyprus Turkish Electrical Engineers of which I am a member but unfortunately not active enough. I think as from the beginning of 2005 they stopped giving approvals to any appliance with Euro plugs on. Either they had to have the Brıtish Type of Plug or no plug at all. There was a furore from the importers and put political pressure on the government and the Engineers had to bow in.

Come to think of it, why should I not have the choice of having a Euro plug on my electric iron and use it with a Euro adaptor in Cyprus with proper earthing. Then, when I go to Europe I can use my iron easily. So really, it is a matter of educating people to have proper earthing every time. Easier said than done.
ismet

[andri_cy]

You mean as opposed to the high quality Chinese products available in the S?

You are very cruel Swashbuckler. You should not say things like that. Some of the Chinese electrical accessories like electrical sockets available in the south cannot be used in the north because the Cyprus Turkish Electrical Authority will not allow it. They are very substandard and not safe to use. On the other hand the Chinese make some good quality products too. For instance I import KIPOR digital generators which are very silent, efficient and reliable.
ismet

You make your own electricity now or do you still get electric from ATHK?

[elko]

Ha ha ha, what are the neighbours for? We do generate our own electricity and were self sufficient for the last ten years or more. At the beginning of this year we had a series of faults one on top of the other and we bought some electricity from the south and paid for it. Bear in mind that your side said that they would not be able to supply any to the north in the summer months because their resources were stretched too.

I hope you manage well, but you never know, one day you may be in a similar situation and we may reciprocate if the need arises. Of course you have to ask first.
ismet

[cypezokyli]

elko, sorry to bore you with my usual 'let's talk it over' approach, but don't you think that Turkey should compromise on a few things? It's not the 1900's anymore, we should, surely, move on from the enmities of the past?

That is fine. EU promised to lift the isolations and specially allow direct trade between EU and north Cyprus. What happened? ROC is using her veto power to block it and EU is trying to find a way through it. They will realize one day that the Cypriots (both sides) are obstinate goats and will not budge. So they are wasting their time.

I am old enough to remember the days when U Thant was the general Secretary of UN and whenever the two sides in Cyprus agreed in principle he got very excited and thought a final agreement was very near. Soon he discovered that Cypriots were just playing games and are more interested in scoring points. So unless we have an Annan like plan imposed on Cyprus, which is not on, the best solution is to live side by side and let the Cypriots sort their own affairs. Then they may discover fruitful cooperation. Otherwise the deadlock will continue for ever and the Turkish Cypriots are the bigger sufferers.
ismet

eurilins report doesnot only concern cyprus.
there are many other obligations that turkey should fullfill, which will certainly help the turkish people.
let me bring to your attention that the part of the report refferring to womens equality was drafted by a a member of the EU-parlament, who is of turkish origin.

there are also problem with freedom of expression , 301 , etc....if you read TDN, you will find that there are people in turkey who believe that from such reforms have to gain. actually they are the only ones that will gain, and not any european sitting in freance or germany.


lastly : ofcource the EU will dictate the rules. it is turkey that wants to join and not the other way around.
if you observed the accession proces o bulgaria and romania you would have realised that the EU was as strict to them

turkey can only gain if it continues to be concentrated on the accession process

[elko]

I am all in favour of continuing with the reforms but tying to get into a club where she is not wanted is another matter. In that respect Turkey is treated entirely differently. In any case, as I said many times, I see no future for EU, it will collapse in the next ten years. We will see.
ismet

[miltiades]

Elko , where do you base your "theory " of an EU collapse , perhaps you can tell us the reasons that you , the only individual , that has ever predicted the demise of Eu.
Its not a case of sour grapes is it ?
Just in case that it has escaped your notice Turkey is allready reliant on European earnings in all sorts of ways , in order to sustain its economy. Turkey needs Europe just as much as Europe needs a modern country .

[elko]

Elko , where do you base your "theory " of an EU collapse , perhaps you can tell us the reasons that you , the only individual , that has ever predicted the demise of Eu.
Its not a case of sour grapes is it ?
Just in case that it has escaped your notice Turkey is already reliant on European earnings in all sorts of ways , in order to sustain its economy. Turkey needs Europe just as much as Europe needs a modern country .

Let us say I am an independent thinker
On the one hand EU is trying to become one country like the United States but on the other hand each country is working hard to protect their own rights. So the resentment amongst the EU countries is growing. With the advent of Euro, now it is even more difficult to make fine adjustments to the economy of a member state. The Italians are already feeling the pinch. Do not be surprised if in the near future Italy pulls out of the Euro if they can do it, not an easy task. I think UK will be the first to leave EU altogether but will wait for the best time to damage EU at the same time.
The Dollar is the supreme at the moment in international trade but there is a tendency for Euro to take over. This is very bad news for US and they will pull a few strings too to topple the Euro and eventually EU.
Sour grapes? I do not think so. Only yesterday I was talking to a professor of Economics from EMU and he was also in favour of Turkey pulling out of Customs Union. Of course you can have a dozen professors in favour of something and another dozen against, it means nothing but it shows that I am not alone in my thinking.
ismet

[Mickleham]

I am all in favour of continuing with the reforms but tying to get into a club where she is not wanted is another matter. In that respect Turkey is treated entirely differently. In any case, as I said many times, I see no future for EU, it will collapse in the next ten years. We will see.
ismet

Wishful thinking Elco/Ismet

The difference is that Turkey has been let down by its more recent leaderships!

Maybe you should wish to find quickly another Kemal Ataturk with the vision of a secular modern democratic Turkish society to lead Turkey for the sake of its population and for the sake of its neighbours!