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[Viewpoint]

So we did not have a partnership(marriage) in 1960? ( so Turkey Greece and Britain we not the parents of those getting married?)

[Piratis]

"Marriage" means to take 2 and join them into 1. Cyprus was never 2, it was always 1 until the Turkish invasion forcefully and illegally torn this 1 island into two parts.

If you want to call the people that make up a country as partners, then in Cyprus we have 800.000 or so partners that make up the country, not 2.

[Viewpoint]

You are playing silly buggers, Marriage means 2 individuals that make an agreement to live and build a life together. The 2 major communites came together under an agreement to form the "RoC" a united island (marriage), it was the only chance we had to rule together (live) and build a Cypriot nation (build).

[orokliniservices]

80% or marriage ends in divorce....

[Piratis]

Cypriots, which include the Turkish Cypriot minority, accepted the only option for decolonization offered by the British.

Cyprus has not been divided to make it united with the 1960 agreements. Those agreements were for the end of colonialism and the establishment of an independent state.

[Kikapu]

Because 1960 is an important date that we can all relate to. You see, on this date a child (nation) was born to 2 parents.

I don't agree with your analogy. People have been living on this island for 1000s of years. If you want to make the "parent" - "child" analogy for the 1960 agreements then the parent were the British, with some input from Turkey and Greece. Cypriots were not even asked. They were just told "take it or leave it".

On the contrary Piratis, my parent-child analogy makes perfect sense. You see, when a married couple have a child, it does not matter who fathered the child. The sperm could have come from several sources, i.e. from another man or men or from a sperm bank, but the child belongs to the couple. So Britain consummated the marriage by donating sperm to give life to a fetus ( 1960 Constitution), which a child was born (new Cypriot Nation), to (TC and GC) parents.

So the child (new nation) did not have dark eyes, big nose, and dark hair as the parents wanted, because the sperm ( constitution) came from another source, than the parents. So what do you want to do, throw away this child (new nation) because it has blond hair, blue eyes and a small nose and try to re create this child ( new nation) into something else, or should you not give this child (new nation) all the love and support and all the tools to grove to become a strong person ( Nation of Cyprus). We failed to give this child (new nation) all the tools required from us to become a great person ( Cyprus ).

[Piratis]

Kikapu you took your analogy too far

What I am saying is that in Cyprus we have many other minorities (Armenians, Latins, Maronites) it is not just TCs and GCs. So the Republic of Cyprus was created for all Cypriots to be shared by all Cypriots as one indivisible country. (and the "indivisible" part was even written explicitly)

This is unlike two people which are in effect two separate entities and could decide to get married or not and then maybe divorce if they want. So instead of "marriage" a somewhat better analogy would be that all Cypriots are "brothers" and "sisters" that have to stay under the same roof either they like some of their siblings or not.

[Pyrpolizer]

We have had 46 years to try and build a united island and we have failed miserably what do you find it so difficult to admit, its the truth.

This is the point where you basically err. We did not have 46 years of trying to built a united Cyprus. We had 14 years of trying to achieve Enosis or Taksim and another 32 years of your side still trying to achieve taksim. The Enosis dream died 30+ years ago, as soon as your partition dream dies too we will have a solution.

As for the current situation you are right I would much rather live the rest of my life amongest my own as a king in my own shack than in a palace as a servent. Im sure you get my drift.

This is sentimental crap. If you think rolo is going to live like a servant then dare tell him so. This is what he said: ----- >

Best solution is a fed, then in time hopefully gc and tc can start to mix….

[Viewpoint]

Kikapu you took your analogy too far

What I am saying is that in Cyprus we have many other minorities (Armenians, Latins, Maronites) it is not just TCs and GCs. So the Republic of Cyprus was created for all Cypriots to be shared by all Cypriots as one indivisible country. (and the "indivisible" part was even written explicitly)

This is unlike two people which are in effect two separate entities and could decide to get married or not and then maybe divorce if they want. So instead of "marriage" a somewhat better analogy would be that all Cypriots are "brothers" and "sisters" that have to stay under the same roof either they like some of their siblings or not.

Kikapu has given you a great analogy yet you prefer to avoid the real issue and dissect the analogy typical. Man what ever it was we fucked up the "RoC" united Cyprus chance we had. You are so against the "RoC" yet you still want us to return to it, is this so that you can then try to apply Aktritas2 via the EU?

[Viewpoint]

Pyrpolizer

This is the point where you basically err. We did not have 46 years of trying to built a united Cyprus. We had 14 years of trying to achieve Enosis or Taksim and another 32 years of your side still trying to achieve taksim. The Enosis dream died 30+ years ago, as soon as your partition dream dies too we will have a solution.

Thank god our dream which was in response to yours and replaced yours has given us 32 years of peaaceful exisitence. The 14 years previous were a taste of your dream which we do not ever want again.

This is sentimental crap. If you think rolo is going to live like a servant then dare tell him so. This is what he said: ----- >

Best solution is a fed, then in time hopefully gc and tc can start to mix….

Thats his viewpoint and he has a right to it like I have a right to mine.