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miltiades you have every right to your opinions but the last 46 years have proved me right dont you think? How many more years will it take you to realize that it will not work with these people, We have tried time and time again the mentality is the same.. nothing has changed when will you see this fact and accept that partition is the only real solution which can be agreed to by both sides. Would you rather have the last 32 years or the 14 prior to that? I know which one I would choose. In order to give up something you have to be shown something better, an alternative that will make your life better, this I cannot see for me, my children or my community.

[miltiades]

VP , YOU TOO ARE ENTITLED TO YOUR OWN VIEWS.
The fact remains that the island of Cyprus that has been ONE island for thousands of years , can not and must not remain divided. The Miltiadeses are the majority in Cyprus ,we are the true Cypriots and would remain such, not Greeks and not Turkish as you obviously are 100% . Cyprus will unite in time when the people of Cyprus eventualy realize that above all they are Cypriots , not Turks or Greeks.
As for you , I believe you have buried your head in the sand and are making not the slightest effort to release your self from preconceived ideas and notions regarding your countrymen.

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miltiades

The Miltiadeses are the majority in Cyprus ,we are the true Cypriots and would remain such, not Greeks and not Turkish as you obviously are 100%

You are very much out of touch with reality, you need to come live here see first hand what people think and feel.

Cyprus will unite in time when the people of Cyprus eventualy realize that above all they are Cypriots , not Turks or Greeks.

You will have a very long wait, things are not devloping in the manner and the divide over the last fews years has grown even wider. Niether side has the vision or the desire to encourage Cypriotism.

As for you , I believe you have buried your head in the sand and are making not the slightest effort to release your self from preconceived ideas and notions regarding your countrymen.

I live on the island and interact with GCs do you? you should try it Im pretty certain you would soon change your tune.

[Piratis]

Finaly Piratis , I would be extremely pleased to see you post that you consider the T/Cs , just as I do , your compatriots and let the VPs of Cyprus realise that we the Cypriots will win at end.

Miltiades, I have done this several times when I keep repeating that all Cypriots (which includes TCs and GCs but not only) should be equal citizens without any kind of discrimination based on their religion, language, ethnic background or anything else. I think I was always very clear about this.

miltiades you have every right to your opinions but the last 46 years have proved me right dont you think? How many more years will it take you to realize that it will not work with these people, We have tried time and time again the mentality is the same

Who has tried for what? For the last 32 years the only thing the TC side is trying for is partition and recognition of the "trnc". Nothing else was allowed to be tried.

Similarly during most part of the 60s the two sides were in a conflict and not discussing anything. Any kind of proposals were rejected right away.

We only had a few years of fruitful negotiations after 68 and in fact many things had been agreed then, but then the coup and the Turkish invasion happened and that was the end of it.

If the two communities were only allowed to discuss on the basis of a true independence, human rights and democracy, without the options of enosis or partition allowed, and without foreign interventions, then a solution could be easily found. Unfortunately this was never allowed to happen.

[rolo]

Kookookachoo


The Illegal Invasion?



It is not claimed the invasion as such was illegal, but the resulting presence of the Turkish forces is.
In accord with guarantor rights Turkey was able to intervene in order to restore Cyprus’s constitution.
Why Turkey should restore a constitution which Makarios had proclaimed unworkable and which he himself tore up is of course another question.

You got to read every comma and full stop when trying to understand the cyprus problem.

Below is a link to a pretty comprehensive and unbiased Cyprob site.

http://www.cyprus-conflict.net/intro%20page.htm

If any posters know of other such sites please inform…………

[Natty]

i believe that it was true as i know someone who was there in the capacity of british correspondant for the newspapers and he has said that the Turkish cypriots were starved in their enclaves ..

Hi Unique Earthing and kookookachoo, I can't say I entirely agree...Most of my family lived through that time, and it just doesnt add up...

Peace!

Natty,

I don't know what the Greek Cypriots were eating 1963-64 conflict, but I remember having to que up with a rations card to get some rice or beans to take home to be cooked. I don't remember starving really , but then again, I don't know how little the adults ate to make sure the kids did not go to bed hungry.

Hi Kikapu, how u doin? (thought I would just ask....)

I'm not too sure how my family was living through that time, and I am truly sorry about the difficulties your family went through during that period, but I guess I just don't think that there was an attempted genocide of the Tc's by the GC's...again it just doesn't add up....I don't know......genocide is such a strog word...

As always, Peace!

[Kikapu]

Natty,

I don't know what the Greek Cypriots were eating 1963-64 conflict, but I remember having to que up with a rations card to get some rice or beans to take home to be cooked. I don't remember starving really , but then again, I don't know how little the adults ate to make sure the kids did not go to bed hungry.

Hi Kikapu, how u doin? (thought I would just ask....)

I'm not too sure how my family was living through that time, and I am truly sorry about the difficulties your family went through during that period, but I guess I just don't think that there was an attempted genocide of the Tc's by the GC's...again it just doesn't add up....I don't know......

Peace! [/quote]




Hello Dorothy !!

I'm doing fine , thanks for asking. I do however, missed your singing a lot, as well as swinging from your arm.!!

I don't know where all this "genocide" have appeared all of a sudden. I know the TC's and GC's do have some differences relating to each other, but I do not believe it is in our Cypriot nature to commit genocide against each other. Just because Hitler and the Nazis were determined to commit genocide, it did not mean vast majority of Germans felt that way, even those who were "Nationalist". Were there some pro Enosis criminals would have liked to have killed all the Turkish Cypriots, absolutely. Were there some Turks that would like to kill all the Greek Cypriots, absolutely. My ex-brother in law ( I'm glad he's gone ), still is one of them, who is from Turkey living in London.

If I needed proof that GC's were not out to commit genocide, all I have to do, is to think back when myself and my family were captured along with 700 other TC's and kept as "prisoners" by the Greek forces in 1963. The fact that we were not harmed and were returned to newly formed TC enclave in N.Nicosia, should show everyone, that genocide was not intended.

On a personal note. I have lived most of my life away from Turkish or Greek influenced society, and I rarely mix with either group, so I really do not have a great attachment to either side. Same time, I cannot deny my Turkish Cypriotness and the compassion I have for the TC's, and at the same time, I have also compassion to the GC's. If I ever returned to live in Cyprus, I would seriously would consider living in the ROC area ( if partition occurs), because there is only so much "Turkish" I can take at any one time, and being amongst the Greeks, which I do not speak, would also suit me just fine, as not to get too involved with them also, so that they would leave me alone and I would leave them alone, but find time and place to be a good neighbours at the same time. If we can communicate in English, then I feel, we are all equal without the TC & GC thing getting in the way.

I hope I'm not offending anyone with my statement. One of my most favourite music tapes was copy recorded for me many years ago by a family member which is a mixed Turkish/Greek songs, sang at the same time, by a singer called "FEDON" I believe, or something like that. This must show that I accept both communities at the same time, because I accept their music also at the same time, as long as I have the "on" "off" button in my hand, and listen to it, when I want to..!!!

[miltiades]

VP , I asked Piratis , would he confirm that he considers his fellow compatriots the T/Cs as equals . He responded affirmatively.
Would you confirm that you also consider your fellow compatriots as equals .

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VP , I asked Piratis , would he confirm that he considers his fellow compatriots the T/Cs as equals . He responded affirmatively.
Would you confirm that you also consider your fellow compatriots as equals .

Thats why I have less rights than him.....Id hate to be in a position where he did not consider me as his equal fellow compatriot.

[Sotos]

VP , I asked Piratis , would he confirm that he considers his fellow compatriots the T/Cs as equals . He responded affirmatively.
Would you confirm that you also consider your fellow compatriots as equals .

Thats why I have less rights than him.....Id hate to be in a position where he did not consider me as his equal fellow compatriot.

What do you mean?