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[Alexis]

Hi Issy, Kikapu,

Issy - Pretty much agree with you. The GCs also need to realise that to unify Cyprus at some point we have to say 'yes' to a plan. That plan has to be a compromise with the TC community on matters that matter to Cyprus.

Kikapu - I'm still not 100% convinced of the conspiracy theory but it does at least make sense that perhaps this is what the EU wanted all along. Certainly it was predicted a while before the referendums that the GCs would say no, the surprise was the extent of the no vote which could have well been due to the media as well as other influences.

What I would like to see is if the UN, which it is claimed did not have a chance to address the GC public although even on their own website they have posted interviews with the Cypriot media which may or may not have been broadcast, had that chance to what extent would that have changed the result. There are few GCs who after analysing the plan in depth would change their vote, BUT there are a heck of a lot of GCs who voted no because of only one or two aspects of the plan which could form the basis for furture negotiations and this is often overlooked. Take for example AKEL's 'soft no'. This was dismissed as talk at the time but the point was AKEL had some issues with some aspects of the plan but was in principle in favour. As someone else pointed out in a referendum you either vote yes or no. If the question had been 'Would you like to see Cyprus Unified?' how many GCs would vote no? Yet their no in April 2004 is being interpretted in this way.

[MR-from-NG]

'Would you like to see Cyprus Unified?' how many GCs would vote no? Yet their no in April 2004 is being interpretted in this way.

I would not be surprised if the vast majority voted no to this too. I watched every TV News channel on the day of the referendum, kids of 9-12, teenagers, young and old were all asked by foreign reporters (ITV, BBC, SKY, CNN) if they would be happy in re-uniting with the TC's, without exception they all said no. There was no mention of any plan just the idea of re-uniting.

I was knocked for six, especially the young kids saying NO was a very sad day for me and has knocked my confidence and desire in seeing a united Cyprus.

[Natty]

Viewpoint has made the point that perhaps they should have to put pressure on the GC admin and tie entry in with the Annan Plan

Hey, I could be wrong but wouldn't kind of like blackmail? Although again, I could be wrong....

Peace!:)

[miltiades]

ISSY1956 YOU WROTE:

"""He said the GC leadership `cheated' their way into the E.U. by initially indicating they favoured unification and then opposing it at the last hour. """
You are indeed an eloquent and well educated individual whose posts are on the whole well balanced , however to state " they favoured unification and then opposing it at the last hour. """ is absolute nonsense especially coming from you. I want nothing more than my country to be united , but I OPPOSESED THE AP , not because I was influenced by internal politics but because the AP was nothing of the sort. It was not A UNIFICATION PLAN .FULL STOP. Police stations flying the FOREIGN FLAGS OF GREECE AND TURKEY , ROADS TAHT ARE DIVIDED BETWEEN G/C And T/C administration , ??? Which part Issy of this plan was a Unification plan ? Foreign troops on our land with not the slightest guaranty of their eventual departure ?
Now lets get one thing straight . The plan was orchestrated by foreign powers with their interests at heart , it did not unite Cyprus in to one nation , one people.

[Natty]

Now lets get one thing straight . The plan was orchestrated by foreign powers with their interests at heart , it did not unite Cyprus in to one nation , one people

Hi, kind of like the 1960 constitution....

Peace!

[Issy1956]

Miltiades,
These words and sentiments regarding the GC admin cheating their way into the EU did not originate from me but from the EU commissioner at the time and whether we like it or not this reflected a widely held view among EU leaders at the time. I admire and respect your passionate desire for a united cyprus and whilst the AP was not perfect it would have meant 1) a lot in fact the majorityof Turkish soldiers going home 2) return of some refugees to their homes, again not all but did we realistically expect all to return 3) compensation for all for their lost property and last but not least some form of a united Cyprus on which we could perhaps start to build a cypriot nation. Not perfect but a start. We would have certainly avoided the building boom that followed and made the problem worse. A missed opportunity in my view.
Perhaps its the difference in my view of what was an achievable solution in comparison to an unachievable idealistic solution.
Peace to everybody

[miltiades]

Issy1956 , I respect your views and as always eloquently expressed.
Our people have suffered a great deal over the years quite unnecessary and unjustifiably because of devisive factors that were promoted by a small minority and propelled to the forefront of the nation's so called aspirations ie motherland nonsense .The A plan did nothing to reduce let alone eliminate these divisive factors indeed in increased the likelihood of future conflict , it was a dangerous plan for our nation's future. The conflicting aspects were so many and in prominent areas that sooner rather than later it would erupt into conflict.
I shall retain my aspirations , along with all other Cypriots , who share my love of Cyprus and the Cypriot people , till my dying days . My nation and my people are far more important than a piece of cloth belonging to foreign nations.

[Issy1956]

Miltiades,
I also respect your views and your aspirations are mine too-and I deeply resent all the motherland nonsense as well. Its such a pity that not all our compatriots see it this way. The TC's have a valid excuse for this since they looked to Turkey for protection in their time of need and it will be a long time before theyare going to be ready to give that up.
I just dont see how we are going to get to the end goal ofa Untited Cyprus with something very similar to A plan.

[andreasv]

Lets keep Cyprus divided its the best solution there is and keep Turkish speaking Cypriots isolated because Turkey is a bully and says so>

[MR-from-NG]

Lets keep Cyprus divided its the best solution there is and keep Turkish speaking Cypriots isolated because Turkey is a bully and says so>

Miltiades, mate, andreasv will make damn sure the divide is permanent. Don't even bother looking for a solution.