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[Pyrpolizer]

Good luck to you in your search for utopia.

Hey Miltiades, the "we are Cypriots" Halilouyia don’t work with VP.




How about an exorcism?

[Pyrpolizer]

This is what those of you that are are asking to sign up to. You have no respect for our fears and our dignity and our wants. You have no respect for the hardships we are facing in coming to terms with the way you conduct yourselves. We feel we are being duped but you have no respect for that either. If you refuse to understand us then what right do you have to demand understanding and trust. It does not even come down to trust because those things will not happen necessarily because you want them to happen but because that will be the natural course of things and we can see that. We just don’t want it that way.

If you don’t want it that way, then care to explain us how the way you want it is applicable without violating the rights of 200, 000 GCs on their ancestral lands and on their own properties which constitute 90% of the privately owned lands in the occupied.

When your ancestors came here 400 years ago, they knew very well they were the minority. They didn’t care though because they were rulers. In fact they wanted to be minority because they needed the majority to work for them and provide them heavy taxes so they could live like kings. When some day this was over, they still stayed here knowing very well most people around them had a different identity, spoke different language, had different culture. If they wouldn’t like it, then they were free to leave the place. It was not the majority’s obligation to leave the place, so that the minority remnants of past rulers would feel happy.

You are the descendants of that minority. You are still a minority. So either you come to terms with your environment, as every other minority in the world, or you will come across dead ends for eternity.
The fact that your motherland invaded, ethnically cleansed us and stole our lands and properties to provide you a living space on our expense was a CRIMINAL act, and will never be accepted.

[miltiades]

The last time I was in Cyprus on October 6th to Oct. 10th and the time before Sept 14th to the 20th , I asked if Bananiot , Kifeas , Piratis , VP , Sadik would care to meet up for a drink and a chat. None replied.
Will be in Cyprus on Nov.10th to 14th and would love to meet any forum postie , particularly Kifeas and VP UNDER THE SAME ROOF. COULD IT PERHAPS BE A CONSTRUCTIVE MEETING ? Over to you guys.

[Viewpoint]

The last time I was in Cyprus on October 6th to Oct. 10th and the time before Sept 14th to the 20th , I asked if Bananiot , Kifeas , Piratis , VP , Sadik would care to meet up for a drink and a chat. None replied.
Will be in Cyprus on Nov.10th to 14th and would love to meet any forum postie , particularly Kifeas and VP UNDER THE SAME ROOF. COULD IT PERHAPS BE A CONSTRUCTIVE MEETING ? Over to you guys.

I did reply before but you must have of forgotten, the reply is the same thanks for the offer but no thanks. Especially with someone who could slap you in the face or kick you in the groin because you will say things that do not fall in line with his beliefs of what is right and what is wrong. He is one individual I would never want to share the same room with let alone the same country.

[growuptcs]

Viewpoint, you are such a crowdpleaser. Everyone is the grimreaper except for the Turks in Viewpoints viewpoint. I actually feel bad for the Turks that live around you knowing they hang out with a dead end of a person.

[repulsewarrior]

Oh miltiades, how much would I like to be there. And I hope some day we can meet wthout this Problem to divide us. That we are all here, in discussion is hopeful and for pragmatic reason, for Humanity, and the sake of Mankind's betterment, we can commit ourselves to something different without prejudice, not "Greek" or "Turkish", call it Cypriot, where there is no winner, and no loser, and the hardship it causes toward its realisation is accepted and understood, willingly, because the result is what all people desire: security and self-esteem.

Leaving things the way they are is not natural. Partitioning the island is not a likely result, without the full consent of the hundreds of thousands affected by Turkey's military force. And without the agreement of several interlocutors who understand the strategic value of its location. Cyprus can belong to none of them for their own security concerns). It is one of the UN's key resolutions, the recognition of Cypriots as people through their membership as a country (the Republic of Cyprus), having a right to Statehood through their self-determination, establishing for the UN the recognition of its power to create for the world a forum for these affairs.

Whatever the solution it will require free movement, free association and free expression. I believe that both parties will take the view that their economic and social sustainability will require that their community accept hegemony, to be more inclusive, because the homogenous nature of their population is not possible without excluding the better part of the rest of the world. Furthermore in practical terms, by the creation of enclaves, over the whole island, we can resolve for very many their desire to live in homes, at peace, and not in housing, at least secure. Turkish Cypriots and Greek Cypriots can expect to be generous to the settlers as well as all who have been displaced as victims in this imbroglio where neither party, through their leadership are free from plaint.

In my Cyprus there are at least fifteen of these enclaves. They are like the jewels scattered over the island, we call our cities, exceptional and alive with the aromas of both east and west. Its result will provide to each community (Greek and Turkish) the need for diversity, so that it can sustain itself in the long run. Being bi-zonal, it is a much better redistribution of land, unlike being divided in two.

Without the reform of the Constitution, the Republic of Cyprus will remain disfunctional, as a government. Identifying Greek Cypriots and Turkish Cypriots as founding peoples is a good start. Identifying their equality as peoples committed to their good government requires a legislature that is bi-cameral, and an executive that is neither held in exclusivity, or shared, but won, by the best person, without a recogmition of their "Greekness" or "Turkishness". A citizen with three votes will choose an independant candidate for their representation in the Lower House, and one Turkish Cypriot representative as well as one Greek Cypriot representatve, from two slates as a candidate for a Party which seeks a majority in the Upper House, whose leader becomes our President.

But to remain on topic, Turkey, if it wishes to be be included in International Affairs will risk the connection of the Kurdish Problem, to the Armenian Problem, along with the Cyprus Problem as an indication of its failings and its inability to be relied on in respecting formal commitments.

[miltiades]

Repulsewarrior , what a truly invigoratingly and brilliantly written post , where have you been all this time.
You state :
""and an executive that is neither held in exclusivity, or shared, but won, by the best person, without a recogmition of their "Greekness" or "Turkishness". A citizen with three votes will choose an independant candidate ""

I have supported something along the lines of your above views but I understand that my vision of a political party along the lines of the British political system is some way away. In the UK as you no doubt are aware any citizen can join any political party regardless of ethnicity so that we have at the moment an English Prime Minister but some time in the very near future we could have Gordon Brown a Scotsman.

I have stated before that a political party that presented it self as representative of all the people of Cyprus and was seeing as such would most certainly have my support regardless of the "ethnicity "of the Leader of the party . I would have not the slightest problem if the President of my nation was Greek , Turk , Armenian Russian or what ever provided he or she was first and foremost Cypriot.

Thanks again for a brilliant post .

[zan]

Repulsewarrior

I can see the picture you paint there and I have to agree that it is fantastic and I would love to live in your Cyprus. The problem is that that is the end of the story. You have missed out the beginning and the middle. What happens before we get to the end is the big question. How many scenarios are there that can scupper any plans that allow us to get to your version of the end of the story. Not even the smallest child will be happy that starts and ends with "and they lived happy ever after".

[boomerang]

Lets leave insults to the mindless individuals.= pitsilos

Your posts are not worth bothering with you are full of hate and venom for anything Turkish including us, don't even think about coming back to Cyprus as we can do without people like you.

vp i think you are out of line your posts are way over the top...you are in no position to dictate who can live in cyprus and who is not

@rw
as always a top post

[zan]

Lets leave insults to the mindless individuals.= pitsilos

Your posts are not worth bothering with you are full of hate and venom for anything Turkish including us, don't even think about coming back to Cyprus as we can do without people like you.

vp i think you are out of line your posts are way over the top...you are in no position to dictate who can live in cyprus and who is not

@rw
as always a top post

When I am president of the TRNC I will make VP minister of immigration and then when we take over the whole of Cyprus we can exclude any one we want. Are you with me VP. It's no good trying that with Boomerang though because it is obvious he will keep coming back.