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[Pyrpolizer]

Firstly take a deep breath and come to your senses, any agreements where the responsible parties will be liable to pay compensation will not disappear after the TRNC and "RoC" have been dissolved to form a BBF united Cyprus, international agreements/provisions will be in place to ensure continuity of funding availability.

Lets try and get this mental stumbling block you have out of the way illegal or not you still have to deal with the TRNC which represent the TC community on this island, so get over it.

We have not made any agreements with "trnc" nor we will in eternity.
No country on this planet, bar Turkey has done any agreements with a pseudo state.
So what will actually desolve is the "trnc". RoC will not be disolved, it will simply transform, all its international commitments will still be there.

Those areas that will remain in the TC state will be judged on what they have exchanged in the south and what they have gotten in the north, they will pay or receive the difference if they intend to keep the property.

In the two separate states solution you have in your dreams i.e.
Global exhange of properties +compensation was Denktashes dream too.

Answer the specific question who gets the land and hotel if both parties cannot agree to share or sell?

For the last time:
If the investor has enough property to exchange then he gets it.He even gets it if he has 75% equivalent property plus 25% cash.
If these conditions are not met then he is only entitled to use his investment for 70 years after which he must demolish it and return a clear land back to the owner. For that 70 year period he will be paying annual rent. And for the loss of use for 32+ years Turkey must pay compensation to the GC land owner.

Are you saying the GC keeps the land and the TC the investment? what if the TC doesn't pay rent

Garnishee.

This i am afraid is a lie that has been fed GCs for over 32 years, that all GCs will have the right to return, the sooner they come to terms with the fact that they will not the sooner one part of the solution will be more flexible.

Right to return does not mean he will return. You cannot limit this right anyway under EU laws.

I personally feel all GCs will return to Maras, if it were returned to the "RoC" if it remained under the control of the TRNC is would be questionable.

Your personal opinion of course.As if you know the Gcs better than me.

Any agreement for a solution will allow for these differences which do not come into line with EU norms those rules were made by humans and can be adapted to special cases they are called derogation's many new members have them.

It WAS called derrogations before Cyprus entered the EU.Now they are called dreams in your head.

It would be near to impossible for Turkey to back out of an international agreement where she gives here guarantee to finance rehousing and settler return projects. I am certain there are enough donors that would provide the finance necessary on the guarantee of Turkey and other nations involved and international donors would also contribute.

So are you telling me Turkey will pay, and will not even object having a clause in the agreement for her payments, or are you saying she will ask the donors to pay. If it is the former then where are the amounts she accepted to pay in the Anan Plan.Show me the relevant page.
And who told you the donors money should be spent specifically for re-housing the settlers???

[andreasv]

I guess Turkey MUST'NT DO anything really ....... I hate that word must. However, if Turkey chooses to honour the agreement the benefits for the country would be great. It's economy will benefit, health for its people will be better, how it is viewed by other nations will change, and some more

[Viewpoint]

miltiades

VP , YOU ARE AS STUBURN AS A MULE !

If my and loved ones well being and future depend on it.

It is precisely because of mentalities such as yours that the current situation exists.

Then maybe we have to come to terms with the fact that we cannot solve this problem through unification as whats a plus for you is a negative for me eg Annan plan.

You have the audacious approach in putting forward as the legitimate government of our island the occupied part of Cyprus where you amaze me at your total and utter contempt for the Internationally accepted legitimate Cypriot government. You may as well tell us that the earth is square.

Then go agree a solution with the international community, we are the ones on the other end of the negotiating table....I cannot be forced to recognize a defacto country which does not represent me and cannot fulfill its constitution has it does not have the TC element.

Can you not get in your head that unless we all face realities our island will be divided for ever with the constant threat of conflict ?

You have what you want a GC state all that's lacking is more land and they way to get it is to integrate the TCs into that state by avoiding measures that would guarantee our rights. Provide those rights and you will get a united Cyprus.

You put forward the "TRNC " as the legal nation , have you got a passport issued by the "TRNC" that can be accepted the world over , or currency that you can negotiate any where.

Yes to both questions.

We will not get any where by being stubbornly stupid , you are a Cypriot and so iam too. Our island is crying out for a solution our people want it and our future generations demand it.

Then find a solution that we can all commit to...is it possible you should ask yourself? if it was then why haven't we found it up to now?

Are you real or you a Turkish propaganda machine.

I disagree I am a very moderate TC, if you think I am hard line you do not want to meet the rest I can assure you.

[Strahd]

You put forward the "TRNC " as the legal nation , have you got a passport issued by the "TRNC" that can be accepted the world over , or currency that you can negotiate any where.

Yes to both questions.

I have documents that prove that I am spiderman! For real dude come on! A TRNC passport is as useful as toilet paper to any place in the world except Turkey and Azerbaizan or whatever is called. Oh your money... isn't that Turkish Lira???? So you have a Turkish passport and Turkish Lira. So you are Turkish who lives in a disputed part of Turkey... so that's why you call it TRNC so that you can get away with annexing part of Cyprus to Turkey!

Really VP how much longer will you be living like this... have you ever thought about the future of your children? What are your chances apart from migrating to Azerbaizzan or becoming Turkish citizens...

Turkey has .... you and has been .... you for the last 50 years just to be able to station ships, army and aircraft in the middle of eastern mediterranean!!!!! Do you think they give a shit about 100000 inbreeds???

Someone said about our Genes looking the same. Of course they do since most TCs are Tukified Greeks who became muslims to pay less taxes and have a better life.

WAKE UP CYPRIOTS!!!!!

I disagree I am a very moderate TC, if you think I am hard line you do not want to meet the rest I can assure you.

What are we dealing with???????

[Pyrpolizer]

Then go agree a solution with the international community, we are the ones on the other end of the negotiating table....I cannot be forced to recognize a defacto country which does not represent me and cannot fulfill its constitution has it does not have the TC element.

The TC element seems more interested in selling stolen GC properties that be represented by the already agreed constitution.

[miltiades]

VP WROTE:
""I disagree I am a very moderate TC, if you think I am hard line you do not want to meet the rest I can assure you "

I have met the rest and you are a sad minority . Grow up and embrace your nation , Cyprus is your country . The Cypriots , all Cypriots are your people just as they are mine .

[Viewpoint]

VP WROTE:
""I disagree I am a very moderate TC, if you think I am hard line you do not want to meet the rest I can assure you "

I have met the rest and you are a sad minority . Grow up and embrace your nation , Cyprus is your country . The Cypriots , all Cypriots are your people just as they are mine .

miltiades which cloud are you currently on? your we are all Cypriots rhetoric is like 46 years to late and can only be nurtured if we decide to unite and embrace Cyprus as one country. We TCs are not a part of your "RoC" we only know and love the TRNC and in order to let go of our country there has to be an alternative better than what we have today. So far this "solution" which will unite us has been nonexistent. So until we can find middle ground the current status quo will continue for many years to come.

[repulsewarrior]

For once I can agree with Viewpoint. We need a united country, one government that is sovereign in defense of our individual rights and our representative, in our county's international affairs.

This will not happen as things are today, in my opinion because Cypriots have taken the view that they cannot do it themselves. Denktash and Makarios came up with the word bi-zonal, and it does not mean two zones. Bi-communal does not mean two seperate communities either.

The RoC is the State, its government will remain disfunctional until it can provide its citizenry with a Constitution and a Government which holds the esteem of the whole population. As EU members, we are committed to providing a society free from the bias of exclusivity, and to become inclusive, with free novement, free expression, and free association, without discrimination.

My proposal ('enclaves' for both communities scattered across the island, and a bi-cameral legislature for theRoC, as well as two National Assemblies, one for each community) allows for this criteria. I suggest it for discussion but without comment. Others who attempt the same receive little satisfaction, but neither of the leadership are prepared to produce as much, although their hope for success endures.

[miltiades]

VP , Your colours are there for all to see. Your blinkered view is evident in every post you make. Taksim was your personal dream and you really don't give a shit about CYPRUS. You are determined and committed to being absorbed by Turkey , and hiding behind the so called " TRNC" is merely your personal resting post until Turkey absorbs the part of Cyprus that she created by mere force. You do not give a damn about the real Cypriots , the natives of this land , not the Greeks or the Turks but us the Cypriots , well you will not succeed neither will Turkey because the International Community and Europe , but most importantly the Cypriot people will insist on a solution that unites our island for the benefit of all Cypriots. Your isolationist ambitions will come to an end when reality is staring at you.

[pitsilos]

re miltiades you finally got it figured out.

i asked you before if a leopard can change its spots.