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Turkey must respect its EU commitments

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Postby pitsilos » Wed Oct 25, 2006 6:12 pm

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Olympic flame go from south to north without screwing things up

the only screw up here is you and your BS propaganda machine :lol:

and explain to me how is turkey gonna get money to pay for all these proposals when they ain't got 2 pennies to rub together?


Go take a few economic lessons and research the 16th largest economy in the world, one of only 7 countries which has enough natural resources to sustain itself, one of the youngest work forces which EU will need in 10 years time and the best economic growth in the EU.
The largest investment growth worldwide and the potential to be the second largest country in the EU. Believe me you will be begging to be Turkeys ally in 20 years time, at which stage she will remember all your current bitching and EU leverage games.... :wink:


16th largest economy in the world :lol: what? who someone's else money.

hey viewpoint anyone can spend money they ain't got.

if turkey was a company she would have gone belly up 100 times over by now.

now be a good boy and tell me who is the second highest borrower of the imf? and how much do they owe?

economics turkey style


Go ask Greece who suck the EU blood being a taker, at least Turkey is repaying this debt which is granted to developing countries with credibility and an ability to repay. The thought of Turkey developing makes you quake in your boots and shit yourself that in 20 years Turkey will be a force in Europe that you would rather have as an ally than a enemy, but of course your comments illustrate you are too short sited to see this but don't worry other EU countries are not.


hey viewpoint don't you worry about Greece mate, because greece ain't the issue here.

and the joke of the day is:
The thought of Turkey developing makes you quake in your boots and shit yourself that in 20 years Turkey will be a force in Europe


Keep on dreaming viepoint and one day Turkey will be a lone superpower :lol: :lol: :lol:


Give us a clue mate..... what are they doing that gives you that impression. Give us some details. All the economic reports I read say that Turkey is on the right track. Pure hate of Turkey will not wish them away. Cut the wise cracks and give us some proof of impending doom.

Why is Greece not the issue here. If they can pick themselves up but are not performing as well as they should and need to include profits from prostitution to balance thier books, why can't Turkey. I borrowed lots of money to buy a house but I was sure I could pay it back is that not how it works. I think you need to think outside the box or the EUs skirts. There is a big wide world outside the EU.


zan when you borrowed money to buy a house the bank tied your balls in a knot, but it seems turkey is hell bend on borrowing more just to please the army with new toys. can you you tell how much the debt has gone down from the current owings? the economy might be doing ok now, but do you think this wil last for ever?

the cheap labour turkey is boasting is steadily evaporating to china, and it will come a day that even the turks will move to china, and what do you think will happen then? hint, turkey will boast that she has the most millionaires on the planet again.

and if turkey gets kicked/walks out of the EU that will be the end.

PS. this ain't turkey bashing zan just facts, companies are always in search for higher earnings. the question is for how long can turkey keep on atracting foreign investment when you can get it else where with out the bullshit?
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:16 pm

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Sorry but you got stuck to the exceptional example you gave and this leads us to many wrong conclussions.


The scale maybe exaggerated to prove a point but the principles set in place are whats important as it will apply to everyone.

The vast majority of GC properties have not been invested, and the stakes are all in favor of the GCs.


These people will get their land back asap no questions.

If we follow your suggestion of clear cut buy-sell-finish you should also consider what would happen to the vast majority of average TC people. Following your suggestion they will end up homeless.


How do you work this one out? please clarify..

So I insist the first option should always be for the individuals to arrange the matter between themselves and the only cut directive be the payment of rent.


I say this will only cause more mayhem as many TCs do not want to deal with GCs who only intention is to get them off their land. The GC should apply to the TC commission for restitution or compensation. Allowing people to sort things out themselves will cause many flare up as we are not renowned for skills at agreeing anything. There needs to be intermediaries with clear cut remedies to problems that will arise.

The political agreement should also provide for what would happen when one of the 2 individuals is unable to take ANY option, nor even pay rent, or simply does not want to compromise in anyway. For example take 2 poor elderly living on a GC house, that have nothing to even exchange. Rent,buy,exchange, are all out of question for them. In this case the political agreement should provide government housing for them


I agree with this and even take a step further that the political agreement should contain the details rules concerning the return or compensation of land and how disputes will be dealt with.

That’s because you don’t look closely. Here, the tomato I am now eating was produced at the occupied by a TC. Did the TC tomato come to my plate flying through the sky? I was present last weak when 2 TCs were signing contracts for know-how and partnership with a GC for establishing a "copy" bussiness at the occupied areas. Of course you will never learn that Ahmets bussiness, that will open up in December is actually the result of cooperation and an agreement with a GC….


Now I know you are joking with me, do you know the amount of trade conducted since the opening of the green line, its comical. Hardly the Rosy picture you wish to portray.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Oct 25, 2006 7:21 pm

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This is clearly open to conflict and brings GC up against TC therefore encouraging acts of aggression fuelled by frustration

this from people that want unification. I said it before and i will say it again the smell of money made youse all to vote yes. and i got news for you buddy it ain't gonna happen.

you want unification and you keep on selling the GC properties. you don't see anything wrong with that? maybe you should take the blinkers off and you might be able to see better.

just like your turkey is the 16th largest economy in the world, but you nicely forget the borrowings. do you know the size of turkeys debt?

go on walk away from the EU and see what happens. you think turkey can afford to take this chance. what? you say you want proof? well just look at the constant humiliation on daily basis and that turkey ain't walking away. now why is that?

no other eu country got this humiliated as turkey has. and the funny part she keeeeeeeps on coming back for more. :lol:

Pyrpolizer you are talking to a grey wolf mate, with the mentality, whats mine is mine and whats yours is also mine. it says so in their propaganda manual, on page 1, paragraph 1


You are so blinded by your hate for anything Turkish that if Turkey walks its you that will be the one crying for Turkey to stay on its EU accession course. If you cant work out why you are more ignorant than you come across.
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Postby Pyrpolizer » Wed Oct 25, 2006 10:03 pm

Viewpoint after reading all your post, sorry I will even bother to reply.
What you are actually saying is in case the property is invested the GC should be forced to accept compensation.
When the property is not invested the TCs will not want anyone to take them off their (??) lands.

In other words you want legalising of the results of the Invasion.

You will not find any GCs agreeing with your demands.
So the only thing left is EU court decisions. Turkey will be paying damages for eternity for your own demands and illegalities.
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Postby Viewpoint » Wed Oct 25, 2006 11:52 pm

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When the property is not invested the TCs will not want anyone to take them off their (??) lands.


If there is no investment the land is returned to the refugee.

Viewpoint after reading all your post, sorry I will even bother to reply.
What you are actually saying is in case the property is invested the GC should be forced to accept compensation.


In effect you have replied but it appears you may have read my response but not absorbed fully what I am saying as with the first question above.

If the investment outweighs the value of the land then the GC/TC will have to accept compensation.

Could you please answer the question I put to you in my previous post

Lets work on the scenario that the TC is not interested and tells the GC to go to hell even going so far as to throw the GC off his property wielding a shot gun. How will your clear cut criteria resolve such a situation? You are putting everyone at risk when you allowing people to go head on against each other which is not correct.



If you and many GCs are still not happy gtting full value compensation then maybe the GCs should think about compensating the TC full market value prices and also give back their land in the south.
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Postby growuptcs » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:06 am

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If you and many GCs are still not happy gtting full value compensation then maybe the GCs should think about compensating the TC full market value prices and also give back their land in the south.


Viewpoint, with all due respect, when will you and your fellow Turks stop rationalizing like self-centered human beings and start acting equivocal. Take a moment sometimes and just listen to yourself. You want things that fools wouldn't have the balls to ask. I'm not asking for you to just miraculously change your mindset, I'm just asking for you to think in a civilized manner before you answer, or just dont say anything. Your mindsets are 100 years behind, and the world is dealing with it. Don't push people away and still look to demand the impossible. In other words just grow up.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:13 am

growuptcs wrote:Viewpoint wrote:
If you and many GCs are still not happy gtting full value compensation then maybe the GCs should think about compensating the TC full market value prices and also give back their land in the south.


Viewpoint, with all due respect, when will you and your fellow Turks stop rationalizing like self-centered human beings and start acting equivocal. Take a moment sometimes and just listen to yourself. You want things that fools wouldn't have the balls to ask. I'm not asking for you to just miraculously change your mindset, I'm just asking for you to think in a civilized manner before you answer, or just dont say anything. Your minsets are 100 years behind, and the world is dealing with it. Don't push people away and still look to demand the impossible. In other words just grow up.


What the hell are you on about again, please deal with the details and dont generalize trying to gain moral high ground we are all past that.

If you do not want to be brought out then consider buying us out. The GC or the "RoC" can pay the TC the full market value of his hotel.
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Postby pitsilos » Thu Oct 26, 2006 12:53 am

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This is clearly open to conflict and brings GC up against TC therefore encouraging acts of aggression fuelled by frustration

this from people that want unification. I said it before and i will say it again the smell of money made youse all to vote yes. and i got news for you buddy it ain't gonna happen.

you want unification and you keep on selling the GC properties. you don't see anything wrong with that? maybe you should take the blinkers off and you might be able to see better.

just like your turkey is the 16th largest economy in the world, but you nicely forget the borrowings. do you know the size of turkeys debt?

go on walk away from the EU and see what happens. you think turkey can afford to take this chance. what? you say you want proof? well just look at the constant humiliation on daily basis and that turkey ain't walking away. now why is that?

no other eu country got this humiliated as turkey has. and the funny part she keeeeeeeps on coming back for more. :lol:

Pyrpolizer you are talking to a grey wolf mate, with the mentality, whats mine is mine and whats yours is also mine. it says so in their propaganda manual, on page 1, paragraph 1


You are so blinded by your hate for anything Turkish that if Turkey walks its you that will be the one crying for Turkey to stay on its EU accession course. If you cant work out why you are more ignorant than you come across.


VP barbarians have no place in a civilised society, simple as that

yeah turkey shouldn't even be considered for eu membership because they have no clue what its all about and it sounds that you are just as ignorant.

and the most laughable request by turkey is to get a seat at the UN council with all these UN res against them. :lol:

if turkey wants in than she has obey the rules, but from what i can see turkey again has no clue whats going on.

I say walk away and see who will be begging. go on walk away.

if turkey was going to away she would have by now rather than get humuiliated left right and center. VP desperation is stamped on your forehead.

tell me what would change as far as cyprus is concerned, if she walks away? a big fat nothing. turkey had a chance and she blew it.

take your blinkers off and put your manual away and maybe, just maybe you will be able to see the 200,000 ethnically cleansed point of view.
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Postby Viewpoint » Thu Oct 26, 2006 8:20 am

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VP barbarians have no place in a civilised society, simple as that


I agree, but doesn't it really depend on what you perceive has being barbaric. Some peoples thresholds are much lower than others in order to justify their own warped mentality.

yeah turkey shouldn't even be considered for eu membership because they have no clue what its all about and it sounds that you are just as ignorant.


Go tell that to the 25 nations that gave Turkey the green light, including the "RoC".

and the most laughable request by turkey is to get a seat at the UN council with all these UN res against them.


The result is yet to be delivered, everyone is entitled to their view.

if turkey wants in than she has obey the rules, but from what i can see turkey again has no clue whats going on.


You are right Turkey has to obey by the rules if she wants to get into the EU so long as the goal posts are not continually changed and double standards are not applied.

say walk away and see who will be begging. go on walk away.


I agree.

if turkey was going to away she would have by now rather than get humuiliated left right and center. VP desperation is stamped on your forehead.


These issues have always been around, nothing new they have been brought to light due to EU accession, they will be argued back and forth for many many years without any real conclusion. Don't worry Turkey can argue her own corner very well.

tell me what would change as far as cyprus is concerned, if she walks away? a big fat nothing. turkey had a chance and she blew it.


No EU leverage, which you have banked everything on. A disinterested Turkey means no solution and more of the same which we are all used to.

take your blinkers off and put your manual away and maybe, just maybe you will be able to see the 200,000 ethnically cleansed point of view.


You are the one that should take your head out of the sane and deal with reality, your attitude does more harm than good you are obviously like your leader a Turk hater and will never be able to break out of your current mentality.
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Postby miltiades » Thu Oct 26, 2006 9:14 am

Pitsilos , we the Cypriots both Greek and Turks , need to ratify our thinking concerning each other as the only way to go forward and reunify our island for the sake of our future generations. Inflammatory statements as well as name calling will only ensure that the present de facto situation becomes permanent . I dont believe that the majority of our people would wish the current situation to continue and solidify the present realities. Turkey , a nation of 70 million is the only Islamic country that has persevered and made huge strides towards modernization which also includes her entry into the most successful union ever. Europe needs a moderated modern Turkey that can bridge the gap now so evident between the Muslim world and the rest. We in Cyprus must hope that Turkey will one day join Europe and that the permanent threat of conflict is removed , and future generations will not have to endure what we have . Concessions will come and Turkey more than any other nation knows that.
VP , continues being extremely naive in continuing to exhibit the narrow mindedness shown so far by Turkey in refusing to recognise the ROC just as every other nation on earth does. VP should stand aside at least and not persist with this totally laughable idea that a government of a nation member of UN , Europe and every other organization is illegal because Turkey says so !!!
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